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  • feltdizz
    Legend
    • May 2008
    • 27564

    Run Defense

    Is this going to be a problem again this year?
    Steelers 27
    Rats 16
  • BradshawsHairdresser
    Legend
    • Dec 2008
    • 7056

    #2
    HS posted this in another thread:

    Issues stopping the run

    In contrast to Pittsburgh’s backs, the Philly runners netted 171 yards and a 5.5 yards-per-carry average. Those are the numbers of a contender. For the Steelers, those numbers are alarming. Those statistics were compiled largely against the team’s starting defensive combinations.

    Ryan Shazier did not follow up his first performance with another gem, but he wasn’t alone. Pittsburgh’s linebackers looked lost at defending the run and frequently made mistakes that could have been easily avoided.

    Pittsburgh’s run defense failures in 2013 were a big reason the team failed to qualify for the playoffs and a big reason that the defense was heavily retooled in the offseason. If this is the result, 2014 could be more of the same for a unit that still seems to need a lot of work.

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    • feltdizz
      Legend
      • May 2008
      • 27564

      #3
      Yeah, the 5.5 ypc and the 73 yarder on the first play have me a little concerned. Usually I'm not a fan of bringing back aging vets but I'm happy Keisel is coming back.
      Steelers 27
      Rats 16

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      • Captain Lemming
        Legend
        • Jun 2008
        • 16063

        #4
        It's not just this game.
        While we got excited with all the plays made by both Spence and Shazier in games one and two we still got run over pretty bad.
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        • Triumph
          Rookie
          • Oct 2013
          • 6

          #5
          Longtime Lurker here. As far as the three starters at d-line, bringing Keisel back will help, but I'm not sure if he's penciled in as the starter. Also, I no longer believe Mclendon is going to develop into a force at the nose. Perhaps I've been spoiled in the past with the dominate play of Casey Hampton, Chris Hoke and Joel Steed, but I believe Mclendon's ceiling has been reached as just a role player or spot starter. Cam Heyward will be fine, but I'm hoping Cam Thomas and Tuitt can step up provide depth or even more.

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          • feltdizz
            Legend
            • May 2008
            • 27564

            #6
            Originally posted by Triumph
            Longtime Lurker here. As far as the three starters at d-line, bringing Keisel back will help, but I'm not sure if he's penciled in as the starter. Also, I no longer believe Mclendon is going to develop into a force at the nose. Perhaps I've been spoiled in the past with the dominate play of Casey Hampton, Chris Hoke and Joel Steed, but I believe Mclendon's ceiling has been reached as just a role player or spot starter. Cam Heyward will be fine, but I'm hoping Cam Thomas and Tuitt can step up provide depth or even more.
            Welcome to the board...

            The NT position definitely concerns me.
            Steelers 27
            Rats 16

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            • Shawn
              Legend
              • Mar 2008
              • 15131

              #7
              I think NT is certainly part of the reason the Steelers can't stop the run. It's also how other teams are playing O keeping the Steelers in nickel.
              Trolls are people too.

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              • steeler_fan_in_t.o.
                Legend
                • May 2008
                • 10287

                #8
                I've been questioning McLendon for a long time, but was willing to wait and see his improvements for this year. So far, I've seen none.

                I would give the mountain of a rook named McCullers a start. IMO this is one thing that must be stopped - allowing every team to run up the middle like they are facing a JV squad. Let the big guy see if he can occupy two blockers on a starting lineup and he has the job...let thew rest of the D get figured out from there.

                I've been saying since Hampton left that the NT position is the key to this D. The D has been in decline since he started becoming less effective. Anytime I tried to stress the importance of the position, I was met with..."NT is not that important because whenever Casey was hurt we did just fine with Hoke". That is like saying that Joe Montana wasn't so good because after he left SF, Steve Young kept them winning.

                Gotta get back to basics here. Fat guy in the middle forces two linemen to double team him. Frees up Heyward/Tuitt/Keisel/Thomas to roam a little more freely. That inturn gives the LBs a lot more space to attack. Given that, the CBs have less time required to follow their assignments around.
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                • steelsnis
                  Starter
                  • Dec 2008
                  • 980

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Shawn
                  I think NT is certainly part of the reason the Steelers can't stop the run. It's also how other teams are playing O keeping the Steelers in nickel.
                  Shawn I think you're on to something here. I'm certainly not a football strategist, but it does seem that the Steelers end up playing a lot of nickel/dime packages vs "passing" and end up getting gashed in the run game because they only have 1 or 2 D-Lineman out there. I don't care how fast your LB's are, if 5 O-Lineman plus TE's are blocking them, there are probably going to be some holes for the RB's to run through.

                  They have to find a way to play more base defense.

                  One thing I read on another site was a reporter saying that he suspected the Steelers were working on the nickel/dime packages intentionally in this past game, and that could be part of the reason for the big runs. I don't know if that's true or not but preseason is a good time to test things out.

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                  • BradshawsHairdresser
                    Legend
                    • Dec 2008
                    • 7056

                    #10
                    Originally posted by steelsnis
                    Shawn I think you're on to something here. I'm certainly not a football strategist, but it does seem that the Steelers end up playing a lot of nickel/dime packages vs "passing" and end up getting gashed in the run game because they only have 1 or 2 D-Lineman out there. I don't care how fast your LB's are, if 5 O-Lineman plus TE's are blocking them, there are probably going to be some holes for the RB's to run through.

                    They have to find a way to play more base defense.
                    This.

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                    Last edited by BradshawsHairdresser; 08-23-2014, 07:31 PM.

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                    • Captain Lemming
                      Legend
                      • Jun 2008
                      • 16063

                      #11
                      Originally posted by steeler_fan_in_t.o.
                      I've been saying since Hampton left that the NT position is the key to this D. The D has been in decline since he started becoming less effective. Anytime I tried to stress the importance of the position, I was met with..."NT is not that important because whenever Casey was hurt we did just fine with Hoke". That is like saying that Joe Montana wasn't so good because after he left SF, Steve Young kept them winning.
                      You just compared Chris Hoke to STEVE YOUNG? Really?
                      The guy backing up Montana was a HOF talent.
                      Hoke......not so much.
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                      In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:

                      TCFCLTC-
                      The Coach Formerly Considered Less Than Cowher

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                      • Discipline of Steel
                        Hall of Famer
                        • Aug 2008
                        • 3882

                        #12
                        Originally posted by steeler_fan_in_t.o.
                        I've been questioning McLendon for a long time, but was willing to wait and see his improvements for this year. So far, I've seen none.

                        I would give the mountain of a rook named McCullers a start. IMO this is one thing that must be stopped - allowing every team to run up the middle like they are facing a JV squad. Let the big guy see if he can occupy two blockers on a starting lineup and he has the job...let thew rest of the D get figured out from there.

                        I've been saying since Hampton left that the NT position is the key to this D. The D has been in decline since he started becoming less effective. Anytime I tried to stress the importance of the position, I was met with..."NT is not that important because whenever Casey was hurt we did just fine with Hoke". That is like saying that Joe Montana wasn't so good because after he left SF, Steve Young kept them winning.

                        Gotta get back to basics here. Fat guy in the middle forces two linemen to double team him. Frees up Heyward/Tuitt/Keisel/Thomas to roam a little more freely. That inturn gives the LBs a lot more space to attack. Given that, the CBs have less time required to follow their assignments around.
                        Yes, if Im rooting for anyone to make the team it has to be McCullers. Lets get ourselves a legitimate NT!!
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                        • skyhawk
                          Hall of Famer
                          • Dec 2008
                          • 3733

                          #13
                          As I thought, the Steelers beat a pretty poor bills team. They got killed by the bucs today. We looked good last game cuz they stink.

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                          • BradshawsHairdresser
                            Legend
                            • Dec 2008
                            • 7056

                            #14
                            Originally posted by skyhawk
                            As I thought, the Steelers beat a pretty poor bills team. They got killed by the bucs today. We looked good last game cuz they stink.
                            I'm afraid this is truth.

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                            • Steelerphile
                              Pro Bowler
                              • Dec 2008
                              • 1198

                              #15
                              Contrary to popular opinion, the coaches aren't dumb. McCullers has the team made. He is only specimen that fully integrates the physical requirements for the NT position. I didn't expect a lot from him when he was drafted. McClendon has tried to add weight, but it is sloppy weight and he still gets blocked out of the middle. McCullers is naturally big and not fat. He is as hard to root out of the middle as the old growth Maple tree in the yard. I'm not saying he'll be all-pro or has no faults, but he will occupy two blockers and be difficult to move. That is the important thing. I am also none too sure about whether Cam Thomas can handle the position either.

                              McCullers might not start out the year as the starter there, but I think he'll be active soon. I think he will be a key part of this defense at some point.

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