Word out of Browns Camp

[NorthCoast]

Apparently a 20-man brawl, offense vs defense.

Coach: "I like it.... shows the kind of attitude we have been missing for a long time.... to win in the NFL, you have to play with that edge on both sides of the ball...."

[sick beats]

Apparently a 20-man brawl, offense vs defense.

Coach: "I like it.... shows the kind of attitude we have been missing for a long time.... to win in the NFL, you have to play with that edge on both sides of the ball...."

Nothing of note; most camps have fights. The fact that the Browns are just now to that intensity is more of an indictment on their past than it is an illustration of their promising future. But I will say this: Their coach seems more legit than any they have had since Belichick.

[The Man of Steel]

Nothing of note; most camps have fights. The fact that the Browns are just now to that intensity is more of an indictment on their past than it is an illustration of their promising future. But I will say this: Their coach seems more legit than any they have had since Belichick.

Except Belicheck wasn't coaching high school football in Pennsylvania ten years ago. Pettine's old man has better credentials to be an NFL coach than his son does.

[NorthCoast]

Nothing of note; most camps have fights. The fact that the Browns are just now to that intensity is more of an indictment on their past than it is an illustration of their promising future. But I will say this: Their coach seems more legit than any they have had since Belichick.

actually agree with you on this sick.

seen a few pressers and their new coach has that demeanor of a real sh!t-kicker... reminds me of Ditka.

[Djfan]

I remember on the Trib boards how he was called "Brain dead Belicheck" for cutting their QB, whose name I can't remember. Maybe it was before the Trib board. I'm losing my memory.....

[Eddie Spaghetti]

i think pettine looks like a guy in over his head already to me. the bags under his eyes are in mid season form

time will tell

[DukieBoy]

Hope the Browns beat the Ravens twice this year.

[sick beats]

actually agree with you on this sick.

seen a few pressers and their new coach has that demeanor of a real sh!t-kicker... reminds me of Ditka.

He could flame out, like a Mike Singletary, but one thing he won't do, as have all the past 10 coaches, is turn into a log and do nothing. Players could end up tuning him out but he won't go away quietly. As a matter of fact, all the coaches and front office guys seem to be operating in an angry state. Their GM was over-the-top in his manner of speech at the draft. They seem to need a chill pill.

[sick beats]

I remember on the Trib boards how he was called "Brain dead Belicheck" for cutting their QB, whose name I can't remember. Maybe it was before the Trib board. I'm losing my memory.....

He cut Kosar, who was adored by those fans. Bernie never had a gun to begin with, so after some age, his arm really turned into a pop gun. Bill B. was right. They couldn't win with a QB with that weak of an arm. And poor Bernie couldn't move to save his life. He had good accuracy and a feel for the game at one point, but by the time they dumped him, he had nothing. People forget that BB actually had the Browns on the right track and they won 10 games and made the play offs (and I believe the Steelers ran Barry Foster down their throats in the play offs that year). but then Art announced he was moving the team, and they just fell apart after that. No way a team can get focused and motivated in that environment.

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[RuthlessBurgher]

Nothing of note; most camps have fights.

Yeah, when you have guys hitting it other in oppressive heat, you expect to see a defensive end getting in a shoving match with an offensive tackle after the whistle, or a linebacker and fullback pushing each other around...man-on-man scrums are somewhat common this time of year. But not a 20 man battle royale. You can't let your practices crumble into that nonsense.

Their coach seems more legit than any they have had since Belichick.

Maybe, but personally, I think they would have been better of keeping Chudzinski (with O.C. Norv Turner and D.C. Ray Horton) and cleaning house and going with Pettine (with O.C. Kyle Shanahan and D.C. Jim O'Neil). Chud vs. Pettine at this point seems somewhat like a wash to me at this point, but I prefer their coordinators from last year much more than their coordinators this year. The Browns were building a solid D, and Norv was turning Gordon and Cameron into legit weapons last year even without any semblence of a QB, so I'm glad those coaches are gone and they are starting over yet again.

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

Nothing of note; most camps have fights. The fact that the Browns are just now to that intensity is more of an indictment on their past than it is an illustration of their promising future. But I will say this: Their coach seems more legit than any they have had since Belichick.

I don't know if it is a new level of intensity. It is probably just the first time that anybody was watching.

[sick beats]

Yeah, when you have guys hitting it other in oppressive heat, you expect to see a defensive end getting in a shoving match with an offensive tackle after the whistle, or a linebacker and fullback pushing each other around...man-on-man scrums are somewhat common this time of year. But not a 20 man battle royale. You can't let your practices crumble into that nonsense.



Maybe, but personally, I think they would have been better of keeping Chudzinski (with O.C. Norv Turner and D.C. Ray Horton) and cleaning house and going with Pettine (with O.C. Kyle Shanahan and D.C. Jim O'Neil). Chud vs. Pettine at this point seems somewhat like a wash to me at this point, but I prefer their coordinators from last year much more than their coordinators this year. The Browns were building a solid D, and Norv was turning Gordon and Cameron into legit weapons last year even without any semblence of a QB, so I'm glad those coaches are gone and they are starting over yet again.

I can't even say. I often wonder if coordinators aren't mostly made by the players they have vs. how good they are at scheming. Norv Turner has made a career off of being the OC of Aikman, Emmitt, Irvin, that OL. Was he ever that great? I think most would be with that team and Jimmy Johnson as your head coach. He actually had two head coaching jobs since, that I feel he totally didn't deserve. Remember Kevin Gilbride? When he was in J-ville, with that loaded team in the late 90's, he seemed like this awesome OC. He got a head coaching job out of it and sucked. The one thing I agree with is always starting over, with new head coaches and/or new coordinators a sure fire way to never get any good. I think Pgh errors on the other end of the spectrum (too slow to react) but you can error in either direction. Browns have been flat awful in this regard. You can't start over every single year and ever get any good, period.

[RuthlessBurgher]

I can't even say. I often wonder if coordinators aren't mostly made by the players they have vs. how good they are at scheming. Norv Turner has made a career off of being the OC of Aikman, Emmitt, Irvin, that OL. Was he ever that great? I think most would be with that team and Jimmy Johnson as your head coach. He actually had two head coaching jobs since, that I feel he totally didn't deserve. Remember Kevin Gilbride? When he was in J-ville, with that loaded team in the late 90's, he seemed like this awesome OC. He got a head coaching job out of it and sucked. The one thing I agree with is always starting over, with new head coaches and/or new coordinators a sure fire way to never get any good. I think Pgh errors on the other end of the spectrum (too slow to react) but you can error in either direction. Browns have been flat awful in this regard. You can't start over every single year and ever get any good, period.

Norv was an awful head coach, but has been an excellent coordinator. The two jobs require different things...Norv is apparently better with the X's and O's than being a CEO type. You could say the same thing about Dick LeBeau on the defensive side of the ball...awesome coordinator, but not successful when given a head coaching job. Gilbride was an awful head coach too, but was pretty much a solid coordinator everywhere but here in Pittsburgh (trying to force square pegs into round holes during the Kordell era)...he was a good O.C. for the Oilers, Jags, Giants, etc.