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[RuthlessBurgher]

what part of pitts defense being so much better than SD didnt you understand?
plus, how was ben's performance in his first superbowl?

He played well enough in the playoffs that year to get us to the Super Bowl where his defense, running game, and a Randle El to Ward TD pass was enough to win it. Rivers has never played well enough to guide a team featuring LaDainian Tomlinson, Antonio Gates, Vincent Jackson, Shawne Merrimanm, Shaun Phillips, etc. to the Super Bowl in the first place.

[Slapstick]

what part of pitts defense being so much better than SD didnt you understand?

Well, this poster seems to think that SD had a strong defense for most of Rivers' career:

....has had a strong D for most of his career

I agree with him...

plus, how was ben's performance in his first superbowl?

How was Rivers' performance in his first Super Bowl?

[squidkid]

Well, this poster seems to think that SD had a strong defense for most of Rivers' career:



I agree with him...




How was Rivers' performance in his first Super Bowl?

pitts defense averaged 5th, SD was 12th over that span............yup, thats the same

[Slapstick]

pitts defense averaged 5th, SD was 12th over that span............yup, thats the same

Nobody said "the same"...

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

cleve = oak, balt = denver, cincy = kc.pretty similar divisions

Comparing divisions, let us count how many times the teams in the divisions have been good over the course of their careers. For the sake of argument I chose ten wins in order to call a team good.

Since 2004, how many ten win seasons?

AFC West:

KC - 3, 66 wins
Oak - 0, 49 wins
Denver - 4, 93 wins
SD - 4, 100 wins

AFC North

Browns - 1, 51 wins
Bengals - 4, 82 wins
Ravens - 5, 95 wins
Steelers - 6, 105 wins

So, Browns > Raiders, Bengals > Chiefs, Ravens > Broncos, Steelers > Chargers. It isn't always by much, but it is across the board.

Anyone who has been following football the last ten years can tell you that the AFC West and NFC West were the two worst divisions in football for the majority of the time.

[DBR96A]

pitts defense averaged 5th, SD was 12th over that span............yup, thats the same

And if you look at each QB's supporting cast on offense between 2006 and 2012, you'll notice that Philip Rivers has had nearly twice as many Pro Bowl selections around him (20) as Roethlisberger has (11).


Philip Rivers

2006: Antonio Gates, Nick Hardwick, Marcus McNeill, Lorenzo Neal, LaDainian Tomlinson
2007: Kris Dielman, Antonio Gates, Marcus McNeill, Lorenzo Neal, LaDainian Tomlinson
2008: Kris Dielman, Antonio Gates
2009: Kris Dielman, Antonio Gates, Vincent Jackson
2010: Kris Dielman, Antonio Gates
2011: Antonio Gates, Vincent Jackson, Ryan Mathews
2012: NONE
2013: NONE


Ben Roethlisberger

2006: Alan Faneca, Willie Parker
2007: Alan Faneca, Willie Parker
2008: NONE
2009: Heath Miller
2010: Maurkice Pouncey
2011: Maurkice Pouncey, Mike Wallace
2012: Heath Miller, Maurkice Pouncey
2013: Antonio Brown


A great defense will certainly improve a QB's chances of winning games, but it does very little to help him appear individually competent. It's the rest of the offense that helps him perform well individually, and in this regard, the tables have turned: Philip Rivers has had much more help from the rest of his offense than Roethlisberger has ever had from his. Unlike Rivers and all the other top QBs of the last 10 years, most of Roethlisberger's help has never been on the field with him, and that does make a difference in terms of his individual performance.

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

And if you look at each QB's supporting cast on offense between 2006 and 2012, you'll notice that Philip Rivers has had nearly twice as many Pro Bowl selections around him (20) as Roethlisberger has (11).


Philip Rivers

2006: Antonio Gates, Nick Hardwick, Marcus McNeill, Lorenzo Neal, LaDainian Tomlinson
2007: Kris Dielman, Antonio Gates, Marcus McNeill, Lorenzo Neal, LaDainian Tomlinson
2008: Kris Dielman, Antonio Gates
2009: Kris Dielman, Antonio Gates, Vincent Jackson
2010: Kris Dielman, Antonio Gates
2011: Antonio Gates, Vincent Jackson, Ryan Mathews
2012: NONE
2013: NONE


Ben Roethlisberger

2006: Alan Faneca, Willie Parker
2007: Alan Faneca, Willie Parker
2008: NONE
2009: Heath Miller
2010: Maurkice Pouncey
2011: Maurkice Pouncey, Mike Wallace
2012: Heath Miller, Maurkice Pouncey
2013: Antonio Brown


A great defense will certainly improve a QB's chances of winning games, but it does very little to help him appear individually competent. It's the rest of the offense that helps him perform well individually, and in this regard, the tables have turned: Philip Rivers has had much more help from the rest of his offense than Roethlisberger has ever had from his. Unlike Rivers and all the other top QBs of the last 10 years, most of Roethlisberger's help has never been on the field with him, and that does make a difference in terms of his individual performance.

Also, if you are one to use numbers as a comparison, you have to keep in mind that Rivers plays 8 games a year in sunny SoCal, while Ben plays in the wind, snow, and rain of Western PA.

[DBR96A]

Also, if you are one to use numbers as a comparison, you have to keep in mind that Rivers plays 8 games a year in sunny SoCal, while Ben plays in the wind, snow, and rain of Western PA.

Eh, Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers play in bad weather conditions too. The quality of each QB's offensive weapons is the main factor here.

[feltdizz]

Nobody said "the same"...

stop making sense