Ben's best magic trick is making receivers appear much better than they are

[Shawn]

Holmes was pretty darn good at WR for us.

Good, yes.

[Slapstick]

Slappy, I expect more from you. You are one of the brighter posters here. Comparing production after they leave with different QBs in different systems is apples to oranges. I want to see what they do with Ben. Wallace had a higher YPC and more TDs with comparable yards with Ben.

ummm...isn't the argument that Ben makes WRs look better than they really are?

What better way to compare Wallace and Burress then? If Ben makes WRs look good, why not compare how they look when NOT playing with Ben?

[RuthlessBurgher]

ummm...isn't the argument that Ben makes WRs look better than they really are?

What better way to compare Wallace and Burress then? If Ben makes WRs look good, why not compare how they look when NOT playing with Ben?

Eli Manning with a good OL vs. Ryan Tannehill behind an OL in utter shambles isn't exactly an apples to apples comparison, though.

[Slapstick]

Eli Manning with a good OL vs. Ryan Tannehill behind an OL in utter shambles isn't exactly an apples to apples comparison, though.

Perhaps not...

But, again, if the argument is that Ben makes WRs look better than they really are, how does comparing them with Ben refute or support that particular argument?

He made Wallace look more better than he did Plaxico?

[dizzfelt]

He made Wallace look more better than he did Plaxico?

our offensive philosophy was different with Plax.... we were more ball control and weren't stretching the field like we were under BA. Wallace primarily ran go routes so it appears he was better but he wasn't.

[Shawn]

I don't think Wallace was better. My statement was a counter that Plax was light years ahead of Wallace and IMO that just isn't the case.

[Mr.wizard]

I think the Dolphins regret giving Wallace 50% of his salary. Dolphins fans hate the guys and feel he was a bad investment

This is absolutely not true, I live here in palm beach and the talk is about tannehill and their dreadful o-line. I watched every dolphins game last season and mike was opened a lot last season but tannehill couldn't hit anyone. Not to mention the dolphins where hell bent on trying to pound the rock behind a terrible o-line which eventually got the coordinator fired. Dolphins had a ton of problems last season but mike Wallace was not one of them.

[SteelCrazy]

Talent wise, Plax was way ahead of the game as a pure WR. Wallace wasn't dubbed a one trick pony for no reason. Yes, Tomlin was trying to get more out of him by saying that, but it also happened to be true. Burress could stretch the field, run nice routes and be that red zone threat. Not sure how anyone could grade them out to be the same, but it is all subjective.