A colossal part of the problem on D (that no one talks about)

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  • RobinCole
    Pro Bowler
    • Apr 2014
    • 1358

    #16
    As I said in the second post in this thread, they addressed this problem in the draft. They might not have solved it but they addressed it. They are well aware that Troy can't be playing Rover all year, thus the selection of two LBs and two large sides of beef to shore up the front seven.

    Really now, "LeBoo" is old but shows no symptoms of senility. If we can see a colossal problem, he sees it too. Probably saw it before we did.

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    • B&GinNC
      Backup
      • Feb 2013
      • 184

      #17
      Troy's style of play has always been dependent on having a very effective "stay at home" free safety playing in tandem with him. For most of his Steeler career, the "Robin" to his "Batman" has been Ryan Clark. Troy has always been a high risk, high reward type of defender, good for some splashy plays and quite a few big misses. The question is, was the reason the misses were more glaringly prominent last year because Troy was reading more plays wrong? Because he was too slow to make plays due to age? Or did we just see the misses more often because Clark's declining skill set made him less able to cover the mistakes? Given the fact that the team brought in Mike Mitchell, likely the biggest defensive free agent signing since James Farrior, to play Clark's old position, I think it's fairly evident where the FO and coaching staff come down on the question.

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      • Slapstick
        Rookie
        • May 2008
        • 0

        #18
        The key will be Jarvis Jones playing better...

        If defenses have to account for both Jones and Heyward on the same side, it will prevent Worilds from being double teamed on his side...
        Actually, my post was NOT about you...but, if the shoe fits, feel free to lace that &!+€# up and wear it.

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        • phillyesq
          Legend
          • May 2008
          • 7568

          #19
          Originally posted by sick beats
          Umm, that depends. I don't believe they took an ILB off the field when TP played up there, did they? They could still move TP to ILB like last year, even with a new ILB on the roster, could they not?
          There were packages where Troy was playing as a traditional 3-4 ILB due to the ineffectiveness of Vince Williams and the rest.

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          • feltdizz
            Legend
            • May 2008
            • 27633

            #20
            Sick beats is sick... we addressed this problem in the draft AND in FA.
            Steelers 27
            Rats 16

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            • phillyesq
              Legend
              • May 2008
              • 7568

              #21
              Originally posted by Shawn
              This won't be a popular post but you are right on. I have been shouted down for calling out TP's play last season...people saying he had a great year. Sorry I didn't see it. He had his moments but he doesn't look close to the old Troy. My hope? Is that the old, slow D around him caused him to feel like he needed to do everything, try too hard. My hope is that the D overall takes it off his shoulders and lets him play within his range.
              He may have been trying to do too much last year. Troy is clearly not the same player that he was before, but he was one of the few players on defense last year who was capable of creating a turnover or making a big play. With all the focus on the Ds lack of turnovers, I did get a sense that Troy was trying too hard to make something happen.

              As far as him guessing, I remember him completely guessing wrong on one play in the blowout against the Pats* but not a whole lot aside from that.

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              • feltdizz
                Legend
                • May 2008
                • 27633

                #22
                Troy definitely guessed wrong a few times last year... it happens. Just like Ben will play cowboy a few times and throw an INT or take a bad sack.

                It happens to all the greats who play a little wreckless.
                Steelers 27
                Rats 16

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                • Oviedo
                  Legend
                  • May 2008
                  • 23826

                  #23
                  Originally posted by Slapstick
                  The key will be Jarvis Jones playing better...
                  That is this teams biggest concern for 2014. Not really confident based on last year. Maybe he gets stronger, but that won't make him faster.
                  "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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                  • pfelix73
                    Hall of Famer
                    • Aug 2008
                    • 3467

                    #24
                    Originally posted by RobinCole
                    As I said in the second post in this thread, they addressed this problem in the draft. They might not have solved it but they addressed it. They are well aware that Troy can't be playing Rover all year, thus the selection of two LBs and two large sides of beef to shore up the front seven.

                    Really now, "LeBoo" is old but shows no symptoms of senility. If we can see a colossal problem, he sees it too. Probably saw it before we did.
                    Bravo post. Exactly what I was gonna say...
                    6- Time Super Bowl Champions......
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                    • SteelCrazy
                      Legend
                      • Aug 2008
                      • 5063

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Rod Polamalu
                      The problem with our defense is that we are trying to run a 3-4 with average to below average and undersized project linebackers and NO stud NT. End of discussion.
                      This guy right here said it all. Why do you guys think Troy was playing up so much? With Shazier, another season under McClendon's belt and Mike Mitchell at S we will start to see what we used to see.
                      2019 Mock

                      1. ILB
                      2. CB
                      3. ILB
                      4. S
                      5. CB
                      6. ILB
                      7. S

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                      • sick beats
                        Pro Bowler
                        • Dec 2013
                        • 2144

                        #26
                        Originally posted by Oviedo
                        That is this teams biggest concern for 2014. Not really confident based on last year. Maybe he gets stronger, but that won't make him faster.
                        Actually, taking Joo Joo beans does make you stronger and faster; if it didn't, track runners would not be on it.

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                        • SteelerOfDeVille
                          Legend
                          • May 2008
                          • 9072

                          #27
                          Originally posted by sick beats
                          I did use present tense, but my point was those areas were weak and were part of the problem. Yes, Clark, Woodley et al are no longer, but their previous presence could be blamed for part of the problem, where as, so was the way TP was being used. I don't need to use others' writings to pass them off as my own. Not even close.
                          so, since clark and woodley are gone and replaced by newer, younger guys...... END OF THREAD.
                          2013 MNF Executive Champion!

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                          • RuthlessBurgher
                            Legend
                            • May 2008
                            • 33208

                            #28
                            Originally posted by sick beats
                            Actually, taking Joo Joo beans does make you stronger and faster; if it didn't, track runners would not be on it.
                            Interesting...they seem to have the opposite effect on me. Fatter and slower.

                            Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

                            Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

                            We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

                            We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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                            • Slapstick
                              Rookie
                              • May 2008
                              • 0

                              #29
                              Originally posted by Oviedo
                              That is this teams biggest concern for 2014. Not really confident based on last year. Maybe he gets stronger, but that won't make him faster.
                              While his 40 was slow, his 10 yard split was the same as Aldon Smith and .01 more than LaMarr Woodley...

                              He has plenty of short area quickness to reach the QB...as long as he built up some strength and is receiving pass rushing instruction from Joey Porter, I have no doubt his game will pick up...
                              Actually, my post was NOT about you...but, if the shoe fits, feel free to lace that &!+€# up and wear it.

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                              • Jigawatts
                                Hall of Famer
                                • May 2008
                                • 2639

                                #30
                                Troy was only an average linebacker last year.
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