Tedy Bruschi and Ron Jaworski

[buccoray61]

Were rating the drafts winners so far. Jaws said the Rams,Bruschi picked the Steelers said Tuitt was the best fit of a defensive player and team so far. He called Dri a dynamic player,who Todd Haley is going to have fun using.

[flippy]

Sometimes I think some of these former players say something nice about a team they hate to make themselves seem like legit reporters. Or say negative stuff about their old team.

It's patronizing sometimes, but I like it and I agree with Bruschi

[thetruthteller]

Were rating the drafts winners so far. Jaws said the Rams,Bruschi picked the Steelers said Tuitt was the best fit of a defensive player and team so far. He called Dri a dynamic player,who Todd Haley is going to have fun using.

You see that is where I disagree when it comes to Draft Grades. Everyone looks at the Rams and says...Wow. Robinson and Donald, ect. But the Rams spent a HUGE anount of Money for Long from Miami, and HE is the LT. And to me, you do NOT draft a player at number 2 overall to be a RT. RT can be found way way down lower.

And as much as I DO love Donald...if there was one area the Rams were absolutely SET at...it's the Defensive Line...right ? So to me, the Rams SUCKED. As where Pittsburgh addressed a NEED at every selection. Yes even the Archer kid addressed a NEED cause the Steelers have no real Back-up RB, or a proven 3rd down Back who can run it, catch it, or whatever. Archer does fill that NEED.


Nobody knows how any of these players will turn out. But when it comes to Grading any team, you can only go by Needs. I mean I don't care how he turned out 5 years from now....if Pittsburgh selected a QB here in round 4....I don't care if he ends up with BETTER stats then P. Manning 20 years from now, it will be a BAD pick as far as I'm concerned cause QB is NOT addressing a NEED!!

[SS Laser]

You see that is where I disagree when it comes to Draft Grades. Everyone looks at the Rams and says...Wow. Robinson and Donald, ect. But the Rams spent a HUGE anount of Money for Long from Miami, and HE is the LT. And to me, you do NOT draft a player at number 2 overall to be a RT. RT can be found way way down lower.

And as much as I DO love Donald...if there was one area the Rams were absolutely SET at...it's the Defensive Line...right ? So to me, the Rams SUCKED. As where Pittsburgh addressed a NEED at every selection. Yes even the Archer kid addressed a NEED cause the Steelers have no real Back-up RB, or a proven 3rd down Back who can run it, catch it, or whatever. Archer does fill that NEED.


Nobody knows how any of these players will turn out. But when it comes to Grading any team, you can only go by Needs. I mean I don't care how he turned out 5 years from now....if Pittsburgh selected a QB here in round 4....I don't care if he ends up with BETTER stats then P. Manning 20 years from now, it will be a BAD pick as far as I'm concerned cause QB is NOT addressing a NEED!!

Well sir that is a VERY bad way to look at the draft. It is not really for needs in 2014 but 2015 and beyond UNLESS you have a very bad team right now as in top 5 picks because of record not trades like the rams. Also they may have made a bad move with Long to start with. See how he does with injuries in 2014. Also even a top 2 pick can be a little raw and need a year at RT before he is ready for LT I think. Plus if Long continues to have injuries you have what should be a very good back up plan. Also maybe with the injuries it is time for Long to move to RT even. Plus draft day grades are stupid. It is just more NFL hype. I could care less if we needed AB in the 6th rd of 2010. He has become a very good #1 WR. I will take that every draft to reload a team.

[Shoe]

You see that is where I disagree when it comes to Draft Grades. Everyone looks at the Rams and says...Wow. Robinson and Donald, ect. But the Rams spent a HUGE anount of Money for Long from Miami, and HE is the LT. And to me, you do NOT draft a player at number 2 overall to be a RT. RT can be found way way down lower.

And as much as I DO love Donald...if there was one area the Rams were absolutely SET at...it's the Defensive Line...right ? So to me, the Rams SUCKED. As where Pittsburgh addressed a NEED at every selection. Yes even the Archer kid addressed a NEED cause the Steelers have no real Back-up RB, or a proven 3rd down Back who can run it, catch it, or whatever. Archer does fill that NEED.


Nobody knows how any of these players will turn out. But when it comes to Grading any team, you can only go by Needs. I mean I don't care how he turned out 5 years from now....if Pittsburgh selected a QB here in round 4....I don't care if he ends up with BETTER stats then P. Manning 20 years from now, it will be a BAD pick as far as I'm concerned cause QB is NOT addressing a NEED!!

No offense; that is an almost ridiculous draft philosophy. I'm actually buoyed by the fact that the team chose to draft elsewhere, when CB is an apparent need. It tells me that they really like the player. Drafting for need gets you a lot of vanilla.

Some might've argued in 2004, that we didn't need a QB (sheepishly, I thought so). We would've passed on Ben, and maybe would've drafted (e.g.) Michael Clayton or Lee Evans. Instead of taking Ziggy Hood in '09 or '10 when we had a need there, we could've taken someone else with more potential. If they were to take a QB this year even, I would be stunned don't get me wrong. But I would be like, "whoa, they must see something in this kid, to take a QB with Ben & Landry Jones already on the roster."

Let me ask you, if you saw a Greg Lloyd-like prospect sitting there in Round 4... with what we already have at LB (Shazier, Timmons, Worilds, Jarvis), would you take him? I would.

[birtikidis]

You see that is where I disagree when it comes to Draft Grades. Everyone looks at the Rams and says...Wow. Robinson and Donald, ect. But the Rams spent a HUGE anount of Money for Long from Miami, and HE is the LT. And to me, you do NOT draft a player at number 2 overall to be a RT. RT can be found way way down lower.

And as much as I DO love Donald...if there was one area the Rams were absolutely SET at...it's the Defensive Line...right ? So to me, the Rams SUCKED. As where Pittsburgh addressed a NEED at every selection. Yes even the Archer kid addressed a NEED cause the Steelers have no real Back-up RB, or a proven 3rd down Back who can run it, catch it, or whatever. Archer does fill that NEED.


Nobody knows how any of these players will turn out. But when it comes to Grading any team, you can only go by Needs. I mean I don't care how he turned out 5 years from now....if Pittsburgh selected a QB here in round 4....I don't care if he ends up with BETTER stats then P. Manning 20 years from now, it will be a BAD pick as far as I'm concerned cause QB is NOT addressing a NEED!!

I agree with this. They didn't get any value for their picks. Kinda reminds me of the way the Buccos used to draft.
I like the analogy of the draft board being horizontal AND vertical.

[birtikidis]

No offense; that is an almost ridiculous draft philosophy. I'm actually buoyed by the fact that the team chose to draft elsewhere, when CB is an apparent need. It tells me that they really like the player. Drafting for need gets you a lot of vanilla.

Some might've argued in 2004, that we didn't need a QB (sheepishly, I thought so). We would've passed on Ben, and maybe would've drafted (e.g.) Michael Clayton or Lee Evans. Instead of taking Ziggy Hood in '09 or '10 when we had a need there, we could've taken someone else with more potential. If they were to take a QB this year even, I would be stunned don't get me wrong. But I would be like, "whoa, they must see something in this kid, to take a QB with Ben & Landry Jones already on the roster."

Let me ask you, if you saw a Greg Lloyd-like prospect sitting there in Round 4... with what we already have at LB (Shazier, Timmons, Worilds, Jarvis), would you take him? I would.

I think a lot of people would have been very happy with Dennard. He would have fit a need AND been considered BPA by most people. Myself I'm a front seven guy. If you felt comfortable with Williams playing ILB I feel for ya because he was the weakest link on defense. This is where the board goes horizontal. We probably had Shazier and Dennard at the same level skill wise. Shazier fits the need and is just as good of a player as Mosely without the injury concerns. Plus when's the last time Bama put out a linebacker who wasn't a bust inthe NFL.

[Shoe]

I think a lot of people would have been very happy with Dennard. He would have fit a need AND been considered BPA by most people. Myself I'm a front seven guy. If you felt comfortable with Williams playing ILB I feel for ya because he was the weakest link on defense. This is where the board goes horizontal. We probably had Shazier and Dennard at the same level skill wise. Shazier fits the need and is just as good of a player as Mosely without the injury concerns. Plus when's the last time Bama put out a linebacker who wasn't a bust inthe NFL.

That's the thing though: I don't think we did (have Dennard and Shazier at the same level). Otherwise, we would've went Dennard and the need. I think they saw that both are comparable production-wise in college. But (and I'm guessing here obviously), I think they saw Dennard and his ceiling (maybe as a good #2 CB), vs. Shazier's ceiling (as a better Lawrence Timmons).

[DukieBoy]

We needed to improve the pass rush and the run defense, too, besides coverage. I think Shazier will do both, AND he can cover TE's with his speed and his safety experience.

[pfelix73]

I think a lot of people would have been very happy with Dennard. He would have fit a need AND been considered BPA by most people. Myself I'm a front seven guy. If you felt comfortable with Williams playing ILB I feel for ya because he was the weakest link on defense. This is where the board goes horizontal. We probably had Shazier and Dennard at the same level skill wise. Shazier fits the need and is just as good of a player as Mosely without the injury concerns. Plus when's the last time Bama put out a linebacker who wasn't a bust inthe NFL.

No offense, but Hightower ain't that bad of a LB in NE.

[RuthlessBurgher]

If they were to take a QB this year even, I would be stunned don't get me wrong. But I would be like, "whoa, they must see something in this kid, to take a QB with Ben & Landry Jones already on the roster."

I wonder how far Mettenberger would have to fall before the team thought about a Roethlismettenberger combo?