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  • K Train
    Hall of Famer
    • Jan 2014
    • 3685

    #16
    Originally posted by Shawn
    I think this big board is very close. Barr might be higher than some think but I agree.
    Barr should be higher realistically...if hes there hes definitely worth the pick, even if hes not a rookie sensation because he is raw and does need to get stronger. Hes got a real ability to bend the corner and explode, hes a long pass rusher that would compliment jarvis jones (a short, stockier one with the ability to set the edge)

    Would really sure up our pass rush for a long time and let worilds gtfo

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    • K Train
      Hall of Famer
      • Jan 2014
      • 3685

      #17
      Originally posted by papillon
      I am hoping that all of these boards are incorrect and that other teams have 2 or 3 of the quarterbacks in the top 15. The Steelers will get a much better player if other teams take Bridgewater, Bortles or Manziel or all three before the Steelers select at 1.15.

      Pappy
      4 QBs could go in the top 15, also lewan....the steelers shouldnt have a QB on their board though

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      • JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
        Hall of Famer
        • May 2008
        • 3937

        #18
        Originally posted by hawaiiansteel
        1. Sammy Watkins
        2. Khalil Mack
        3. Jadeveon Clowney
        4. Jake Matthews
        5. Greg Robinson
        6. Mike Evans
        7. Darqueze Dennard
        8. Justin Gilbert
        9. CJ Mosely
        10. Eric Ebron
        11. Rashede Hageman
        12. Anthony Barr
        13. Kelvin Benjamin
        14. Louis Nix
        15. Kyle Fuller
        I agree with Shawn...That's a Dam good swing hawaiiansteel... "Steelers Board". I would have 14 of your 15...A little different grades. The only one I wouldn't have there is Hageman...Lewan would be on my list.


        1. Jadeveon Clowney
        2. Greg Robinson
        3. Jake Matthews

        4. Khalil Mack
        5. Sammy Watkins
        6. Anthony Barr
        7. Justin Gilbert
        8. Darqueze Dennard
        9. Mike Evans
        ***TRADE DOWN***
        10. Taylor Lewan
        11. Eric Ebron
        12. Kelvin Benjamin
        13. Kyle Fuller
        14. Louis Nix
        15. CJ Mosley



        If the Top 9 were gone....I would be trying to get out of #15. If I couldn't find a dance partner...I would take the BPA still on the board in my 10-15.
        Last edited by JUST-PLAIN-NASTY; 03-27-2014, 08:41 AM.

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        • Shawn
          Legend
          • Mar 2008
          • 15131

          #19
          1. Jadeveon Clowney
          2. Sammy Watkins
          3. Khalil Mack

          4. Greg Robinson
          5. Jake Matthews
          6. Mike Evans
          7. Anthony Barr
          8. Darqueze Dennard
          9. Justin Gilbert
          10. CJ Mosley
          11. Eric Ebron
          12. Aaron Donald
          13. Kelvin Benjamin
          14. Louis Nix
          15. Ha Ha CLinton-Dix
          Trolls are people too.

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          • steeler_fan_in_t.o.
            Legend
            • May 2008
            • 10281

            #20
            Originally posted by K Train
            even if hes not a rookie sensation
            If he is not a rookie sensation he is a bust!! Come on K man, don't you know the rules of Steeler Nation?????
            http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/k...to_Mike/to.jpg

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            • hawaiiansteel
              Legend
              • May 2008
              • 35648

              #21
              here are 10 players I would be happy with at #15, just need one of them to drop to us:

              1. Sammy Watkins
              2. Khalil Mack
              3. Jadeveon Clowney
              4. Jake Matthews
              5. Greg Robinson
              6. Mike Evans
              7. Darqueze Dennard
              8. Justin Gilbert
              9. Anthony Barr
              10. Eric Ebron

              in order to get one of these players I'm hoping that QBs Blake Bortles, Johnny Manziel, Teddy Bridgewater and Derek Carr, safeties Calvin Pryor and Ha Ha Clinton-Dix and DTs Timmy Jernigan and Aaron Donald get chosen by teams drafting ahead of us.

              in addition, there are 5 more players I would be happy to draft in a trade-down scenario:

              11. Louis Nix
              12. Kyle Fuller
              13. Kelvin Benjamin
              14. Rashede Hageman
              15. C J Mosely

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              • Dee Dub
                Hall of Famer
                • Jan 2010
                • 4652

                #22
                I find it rather funny that there are some who think Jadeveon Clowney could come in a fit in a defense that he has never played in at a position he has never played. I believe he would be bust as an 3-4 OLB.
                Steelers 2015 Draft???....Go Freak! As in....

                1-Bernardrick McKinney MLB Mississippi State 6 ft 5 250 4.5 40 yard dash

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                • birtikidis
                  Hall of Famer
                  • May 2008
                  • 4628

                  #23
                  Originally posted by Dee Dub
                  I find it rather funny that there are some who think Jadeveon Clowney could come in a fit in a defense that he has never played in at a position he has never played. I believe he would be bust as an 3-4 OLB.
                  I think he's gonna be a bust as a 4-3 defensive end let alone OLB

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                  • hawaiiansteel
                    Legend
                    • May 2008
                    • 35648

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Dee Dub
                    I find it rather funny that there are some who think Jadeveon Clowney could come in a fit in a defense that he has never played in at a position he has never played. I believe he would be bust as an 3-4 OLB.
                    first of all, Clowney is never going to fall to #15 so it's a moot point.

                    but if he were there, I would be thrilled because there would undoubtedly be teams trying to trade up with the Steelers in order to get him and I would love for the Steelers to trade down if the players they covet are all gone.

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                    • Dee Dub
                      Hall of Famer
                      • Jan 2010
                      • 4652

                      #25
                      Originally posted by hawaiiansteel
                      first of all, Clowney is never going to fall to #15 so it's a moot point.

                      but if he were there, I would be thrilled because there would undoubtedly be teams trying to trade up with the Steelers in order to get him and I would love for the Steelers to trade down if the players they covet are all gone.
                      I believe we will look back on his NFL career and say he should have fallen to 15 or even further down.


                      Chew on this. Clowney's 3-cone drill was a very pedestrian 7.27. That means as freakishly athletic as every seems to think he is, the reality of that athleticism is he will be very limited in what he can do in the NFL on a football field. Lateral tightness is a weakness and Clowney has been able to get away with that in college. It will bring him back to earth some in the NFL.
                      Last edited by Dee Dub; 03-29-2014, 01:00 AM.
                      Steelers 2015 Draft???....Go Freak! As in....

                      1-Bernardrick McKinney MLB Mississippi State 6 ft 5 250 4.5 40 yard dash

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                      • hawaiiansteel
                        Legend
                        • May 2008
                        • 35648

                        #26
                        Originally posted by Dee Dub
                        I believe we will look back on his NFL career and say he should have fallen to 15 or even further down.

                        Chew on this. Clowney's 3-cone drill was a very pedestrian 7.27. That means as freakishly athletic as every seems to think he is, the reality of that athleticism is he will be very limited in what he can do in the NFL on a football field. Lateral tightness is a weakness and Clowney has been able to get away with that in college. It will bring him back to earth some in the NFL.
                        Clowney's work ethic is what bothers me, how hard is he going to practice and play once he gets a big contract?

                        nevertheless, Clowney will be chosen in the Top 5 selections of this draft.

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                        • thor75
                          Pro Bowler
                          • Dec 2012
                          • 1038

                          #27
                          1) Sammy Watkins
                          2) Khalil Mack
                          3) Jadeveon Clowney
                          4) Jake Matthews
                          5) Greg Robinson
                          6) Anthony Barr
                          7) Justin Gilbert
                          8.) Darqueze Dennard
                          9) CJ Mosley
                          10) Mike Evans
                          11) Ra'Shede Hageman
                          12) Marqise Lee
                          13) HaHa Clinton Dix
                          14) Louis Nix
                          15) Kelvin Benjamin
                          1. C.J. Mosley LB Alabama
                          2. Jordan Matthews WR Vanderbilt
                          3. (comp) Philip Gaines CB Rice
                          4. Arthur Lynch TE Georgia
                          5. Ross Cockrell CB Duke
                          5. (comp) Derrick Hopkins DT Virginia Tech
                          6. Josh Mauro DE Stanford
                          6. (comp) Shaquil Barrett OLB Colorado State
                          7. Quincy Enunwa WR Nebraska

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                          • Shoe
                            Hall of Famer
                            • May 2008
                            • 4044

                            #28
                            Does anybody remember Keith McCants or Aundray Bruce?
                            I wasn't hired for my disposition.

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                            • grotonsteel
                              Hall of Famer
                              • Jul 2008
                              • 2810

                              #29
                              My Big Board for Steelers:
                              1. Greg Robinson
                              2. Khalil Mack
                              3. Jake Matthews
                              4. Darqueze Dennard
                              5. Mike Evans
                              6. Anthony Barr
                              7. Justin Gilbert
                              8. Jadeveon Clowney
                              9. Eric Ebron
                              10.Sammy Watkins
                              11.Kyle Fuller
                              12.Ra'Shede Hageman
                              13.Kelvin Benjamin
                              14.C J Mosley
                              15.Louis Nix
                              Steelers Draft 2015
                              Rd 1: Devante Parker - WR/ Kevin Johnson - CB
                              Rd 2: Danielle Hunter -OLB
                              Rd 3: Steven Nelson - CB
                              Rd 4: Derron Smith - S
                              Rd 5: Henry Anderson - DE
                              Rd 6: Wes Saxton - TE
                              Rd 7: Deon Simon - DT

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                              • JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
                                Hall of Famer
                                • May 2008
                                • 3937

                                #30
                                Originally posted by Dee Dub
                                I believe we will look back on his NFL career and say he should have fallen to 15 or even further down.


                                Chew on this. Clowney's 3-cone drill was a very pedestrian 7.27. That means as freakishly athletic as every seems to think he is, the reality of that athleticism is he will be very limited in what he can do in the NFL on a football field. Lateral tightness is a weakness and Clownery has been able to get away with that in college. It will bring him back to earth some in the NFL.




                                Clownery playing 3-4 OLB in the Pros is an educated projection...So is every player projection coming out of college. What I will say is if I was a 4-3 team...I would value him more with his hand on the ground because of what he did in college. A 3-4 team will have more questions with his projection-fit...But the football player shows up first. Personally...I would be more hesitant on taking him high because of work ethic...Not projection or fit. College to Pros is a difficult projection no matter what. If it was an easy science...The "bust" rate of 1st rounder would be minimal. "Football is 80% mental...40% physical". The further you go up the football ladder...The truer that gets. That mental part includes work ethic along with many other things. THAT is what can't be measure in any drills.

                                In response to your "I find it rather funny that there are some who think Jadeveon Clownery could come in a fit in a defense that he has never played in at a position he has never played." That happens all the time. Years ago...Finding a 3-4 OLB coming out of college who played in that system was VERY difficult. The NFL teams still found 3-4 OLBs. Not doing it in a college system doesn't mean can't do it. Just go back through the list of Steeler 3-4 OLBs & see where they came from in college.

                                There are players that come in the NFL who played in a similar system in college but struggle in the NFL. System to system isn't the answer to projection. It is hard to project a collegiate player to NFL...period. College system to Pros could shed some light but it is no definitive answer. Your guy from last year is a perfect example. "Pencil him in as a Day 1 starter...Played in a 3-4 system." You were on the other side of the fence last year Dub. You said JJ's tape tells the only tale. Terrible work outs. FYI...Jone's 3 cone was 7.46. We found out JJ has work to do to get himself where he could play at a high level. So we see examples of both sides of the argument all the time.


                                The Steelers have no chance to get Clownery. But if the Steelers were in position to...They would do extensive work on him. Their interviews would shed light on his commitment to play 3-4 OLB or 4-3 DE. If they were happy with his work ethic as it relates to the NFL...They would have him doing private workouts in positional drills & seeing if he has the ability to play 3-4 OLB at the next level. If they found Clownery had the ability to be a 3-4 OLB at the next level....And he was committed to becoming WHATEVER player a team needed him to fit into...He would be on the Steelers board. He would be there because of the football player. 3-4 teams in reach of him aren't taking him off their board because he played 4-3 DE in college. IF they have him off their board it is because the don't think he could play OLB, he didn't sound committed in the interview process of playing OLB, or work ethic. Saying that...Because of the "football player" he is & where he will likely go....They won't use too much resources on him. Unless something surfaces from now until draft...He won't suffer a Jarvis Jones drop because of "football questions" about him.
                                Last edited by JUST-PLAIN-NASTY; 03-31-2014, 12:08 PM.

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