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  • steelerkeylargo
    Hall of Famer
    • Mar 2009
    • 2507

    The trade Colbert needs to make

    Steelers 1st and second for 49ers 1/29, 2/24,2/29, 3/29. SF is a player or 2 from the SB. Particularly WR. If Mike Evans is at 15, S.F. would be an ideal trade partner. The Steelers would gain valuable picks in a deep draft to build back depth.






  • thor75
    Pro Bowler
    • Dec 2012
    • 1038

    #2
    Originally posted by steelerkeylargo
    Steelers 1st and second for 49ers 1/29, 2/24,2/29, 3/29. SF is a player or 2 from the SB. Particularly WR. If Mike Evans is at 15, S.F. would be an ideal trade partner. The Steelers would gain valuable picks in a deep draft to build back depth.
    They also have needs in the secondary and would that be more pressing than WR since Boldin is close to signing? The end of the 1st is a good spot to grab one of the top corners or safeties. I wouldn't hate the trade and it would give a good yield of top prospects, but its tough for me to walk away from 15. Tough call.
    1. C.J. Mosley LB Alabama
    2. Jordan Matthews WR Vanderbilt
    3. (comp) Philip Gaines CB Rice
    4. Arthur Lynch TE Georgia
    5. Ross Cockrell CB Duke
    5. (comp) Derrick Hopkins DT Virginia Tech
    6. Josh Mauro DE Stanford
    6. (comp) Shaquil Barrett OLB Colorado State
    7. Quincy Enunwa WR Nebraska

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    • steelerkeylargo
      Hall of Famer
      • Mar 2009
      • 2507

      #3
      Originally posted by thor75
      They also have needs in the secondary and would that be more pressing than WR since Boldin is close to signing? The end of the 1st is a good spot to grab one of the top corners or safeties. I wouldn't hate the trade and it would give a good yield of top prospects, but its tough for me to walk away from 15. Tough call.
      Boldin's best work comes from the slot these days where his superior route running can make for mismatches. As far as the DB's they could get Dennard at 15 and take a guy like Benjamin with the mid second rounder from us.






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      • SS Laser
        Pro Bowler
        • Apr 2009
        • 1929

        #4
        I like it. 2 2nd's and 2 3rds with comp pick would be very nice to have to reload this team. But if doing a trade like that better have a A+ draft. Could you do a mock with those picks? I would love to see what you are thinking for the picks.

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        • K Train
          Hall of Famer
          • Jan 2014
          • 3685

          #5
          they would never do that if evans was there, they are going to covet him on draft day.

          I hate trading down, not that they couldnt have a decent lot of players but the team seriously lacks star power.

          With the way the team never really misses on 1st rounders and is about 50-50 on second rounders i dont understand the reasoning for trading out of the first, especially with such a good draft class

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          • steelz09
            Administrator
            • Jan 2008
            • 4675

            #6
            I do not understand for the life of me why people (including the media) think the 49ers lack weapons.

            Gore/Lattimore?
            Vernon Davis?
            Boldin?
            Crabtree?

            Lack weapons??? huh?!?!?
            Tomlin: Let's unleash hell and "mop the floor" with the competition.

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            • steeler_fan_in_t.o.
              Legend
              • May 2008
              • 10281

              #7
              I don't love this trade SKL. Aside from the fact that I don't see the team doing it, I think that the risk of moving from 15 to 29 is too high. You might still be able to target a certain player and hope he is there at 29, but I believe that the Steelers are that specific, with low tolerance to risking losing their guy. I believe that if their guy is someone (say Hageman), they would not figure that "We can drop back to 29 and he could/should still be there, and if not then one of Tuitt, Donald will almost certainly be there". Instead, I believe that they would target one and decide that they can't go past a certain spot or else they risk losing their man.
              http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/k...to_Mike/to.jpg

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              • RuthlessBurgher
                Legend
                • May 2008
                • 33208

                #8
                A more straightforward trade would be for SF to give up their original 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round pick for our original 1st round pick. This would give us a late first, mid second, late second, and two late third rounders (including the anticipated Wallace comp pick). The Niners would have the mid first rounder they got from us (#15), the mid second round they got from the Chiefs (#56), and the mid third rounder they got from the Titans (#77).

                1.15 = 1050 pts.

                1.30 = 620 pts.
                2.61 = 292 pts.
                3.94 = 124 pts.
                Total = 1036 pts.

                We could then do something like this with our 5 picks on day 1 & 2 of the draft:

                1.30 DE Stephen Tuitt, Notre Dame
                2.46 CB Kyle Fuller, Virginia Tech
                2.61 TE Troy Niklas, Notre Dame
                3.94 S Deone Bucannon, Washington State
                3.97c ILB Chris Borland, Wisconsin

                Addresses our run D, addresses our pass D, and gives Ben another big target.
                Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

                Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

                We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

                We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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                • SteelerOfDeVille
                  Legend
                  • May 2008
                  • 9069

                  #9
                  Originally posted by RuthlessBurgher
                  1.30 DE Stephen Tuitt, Notre Dame
                  2.46 CB Kyle Fuller, Virginia Tech
                  2.61 TE Troy Niklas, Notre Dame
                  3.94 S Deone Bucannon, Washington State
                  3.97c ILB Chris Borland, Wisconsin
                  i like it less with those players! LOL
                  2013 MNF Executive Champion!

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                  • steelerkeylargo
                    Hall of Famer
                    • Mar 2009
                    • 2507

                    #10
                    Originally posted by SS Laser
                    I like it. 2 2nd's and 2 3rds with comp pick would be very nice to have to reload this team. But if doing a trade like that better have a A+ draft. Could you do a mock with those picks? I would love to see what you are thinking for the picks.


                    1/29- Louis Nix-NT-Notre Dame
                    2/56- Jordan Mathews-WR-Vandy
                    2/61-Deonne-Buchannon-S-Wash St
                    3/93-Pierre Desir-CB-Lindenwood
                    4/111-Christian Jones-ILB-FSY
                    4/comp-Charles Simms_RB-WVU
                    5) Prince Shembo-OLB-ND
                    6) Aaron Colvin-CB-OU
                    7) Ben Gardner-DE-Stanford






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                    • steelerkeylargo
                      Hall of Famer
                      • Mar 2009
                      • 2507

                      #11
                      Originally posted by steelz09
                      I do not understand for the life of me why people (including the media) think the 49ers lack weapons.

                      Gore/Lattimore?
                      Vernon Davis?
                      Boldin?
                      Crabtree?

                      Lack weapons??? huh?!?!?
                      Gore 31 and had a career low in YPC
                      Lattimore-unproven
                      Boldin-will be his 13th season

                      Davis and Crabtree are legit. This team needs another WR just as bad as the Steelers






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                      • sick beats
                        Pro Bowler
                        • Dec 2013
                        • 2144

                        #12
                        Originally posted by steelz09
                        I do not understand for the life of me why people (including the media) think the 49ers lack weapons.
                        I get what you are saying, but they are getting old and have ? marks with some of these guys. It's not complete insanity to say they could use more play makers.

                        Gore/Lattimore? - Gore is getting up there. Tons of mileage on his body. Still seemed productive last year but that won't last forever. Father time is undefeated in taking players down. Had over 1,100 yards but his 4.1 ypc avg. was the lowest of his career and he is over 30 now. He should probably be in more of a complimentory role moving forward, as opposed to the bread and butter back. Lattimore? Coming off major surgery, was mackin' it before. No one knows if he can come back fully or stay in one piece after he does. Hunter is OK, but probably not a every down back, James is definitely too small to have that many touches. I think it's a given SF will draft a back this draft. He might not have that many touches, as they might gut it out with Gore and Hunter one more season, but they need someone waiting in the wings.

                        Vernon Davis? - The word "potential" has become a somewhat dirty word with Davis. After a while, "potential" is no longer good enough. 52 grabs and 850 yards is better than average for a TE. So, he isn't a bust, but word is out that if you get rough with this guy, he gets soft and disappears and that rep. seems to be accurate. Is he a liability? No. But he isn't the monster his measurables said he should be, with his huge size while having blazing speed. Yes, he is a weapon, just not the one many thought he'd turn out to be.

                        Boldin? - Never was that fast, and now he is even slower. Doesn't have many years left, and he he has to make catches by out-muscling defenders for ball, using his vice grip hands. Still a value, but you need than just a slow guy to open things up more.

                        Crabtree? - Finally turned into a good player, but they need more than just him.

                        Lack weapons??? huh?!?!? - Not completely bare of play makers, but not overly stacked for the future either. They would benefit from a blazer who pops the top on a defense. They really could. And they need a running back with size and speed in case Lattimore doesn't make it all the way back.

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                        • steelz09
                          Administrator
                          • Jan 2008
                          • 4675

                          #13
                          Originally posted by sick beats
                          I get what you are saying, but they are getting old and have ? marks with some of these guys. It's not complete insanity to say they could use more play makers.

                          Gore/Lattimore? - Gore is getting up there. Tons of mileage on his body. Still seemed productive last year but that won't last forever. Father time is undefeated in taking players down. Had over 1,100 yards but his 4.1 ypc avg. was the lowest of his career and he is over 30 now. He should probably be in more of a complimentory role moving forward, as opposed to the bread and butter back. Lattimore? Coming off major surgery, was mackin' it before. No one knows if he can come back fully or stay in one piece after he does. Hunter is OK, but probably not a every down back, James is definitely too small to have that many touches. I think it's a given SF will draft a back this draft. He might not have that many touches, as they might gut it out with Gore and Hunter one more season, but they need someone waiting in the wings.

                          Vernon Davis? - The word "potential" has become a somewhat dirty word with Davis. After a while, "potential" is no longer good enough. 52 grabs and 850 yards is better than average for a TE. So, he isn't a bust, but word is out that if you get rough with this guy, he gets soft and disappears and that rep. seems to be accurate. Is he a liability? No. But he isn't the monster his measurables said he should be, with his huge size while having blazing speed. Yes, he is a weapon, just not the one many thought he'd turn out to be.

                          Boldin? - Never was that fast, and now he is even slower. Doesn't have many years left, and he he has to make catches by out-muscling defenders for ball, using his vice grip hands. Still a value, but you need than just a slow guy to open things up more.

                          Crabtree? - Finally turned into a good player, but they need more than just him.

                          Lack weapons??? huh?!?!? - Not completely bare of play makers, but not overly stacked for the future either. They would benefit from a blazer who pops the top on a defense. They really could. And they need a running back with size and speed in case Lattimore doesn't make it all the way back.
                          They have a helluva a lot more weapns than the Steelers do. They don't need to trade up to #15... nor will we trade down.
                          Tomlin: Let's unleash hell and "mop the floor" with the competition.

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                          • SS Laser
                            Pro Bowler
                            • Apr 2009
                            • 1929

                            #14
                            Originally posted by steelerkeylargo
                            1/29- Louis Nix-NT-Notre Dame
                            2/56- Jordan Mathews-WR-Vandy
                            2/61-Deonne-Buchannon-S-Wash St
                            3/93-Pierre Desir-CB-Lindenwood
                            4/111-Christian Jones-ILB-FSY
                            4/comp-Charles Simms_RB-WVU
                            5) Prince Shembo-OLB-ND
                            6) Aaron Colvin-CB-OU
                            7) Ben Gardner-DE-Stanford
                            Very interesting and would at least inject some youth and I hope speed on defense. rd 6&7 could be 2 really nice steals if they come back and can play up to or above potential.
                            Last edited by SS Laser; 02-28-2014, 12:18 AM.

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                            • NJ-STEELER
                              Legend
                              • May 2008
                              • 12563

                              #15
                              Originally posted by steelz09
                              I do not understand for the life of me why people (including the media) think the 49ers lack weapons.

                              Gore/Lattimore?
                              Vernon Davis?
                              Boldin?
                              Crabtree?

                              Lack weapons??? huh?!?!?
                              yeah, they're pretty loaded compared to us

                              hunter and baldwin (former 1st rounder) as well
                              Last edited by NJ-STEELER; 02-28-2014, 12:46 AM.

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