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  • SteelCrazy
    Legend
    • Aug 2008
    • 5049

    Steelers all-in on Big Ben

    PITTSBURGH -- Another public affirmation of the Steelers' commitment to Ben Roethlisberger provided more proof that the team plans to go all-in on its franchise quarterback.

    Kevin Colbert's comments Wednesday about the organization needing to do its part to help Roethlisberger dovetail with recent ones the general manager made about the Steelers having to surround Big Ben with as much talent as possible to maximize his remaining years.

    And they again point to the Steelers fetching the tall wide receiver Roethlisberger has long coveted or a game-breaking one early in the 2014 NFL draft.

    The offense around Roethlisberger is mostly set, but it could use another wide receiver, especially if Emmanuel Sanders, who started opposite Pro Bowler Antonio Brown last season, signs elsewhere as an unrestricted free agent.

    A draft class that is deep, in general, looks particularly strong at wide receiver. And the Steelers, picking at No. 15 overall, could have their choice of wide receivers after Clemson's Sammy Watkins -- from rangy ones such as Texas A&M's Mike Evans and Florida State's Kelvin Benjamin -- to smaller but polished ones such as Southern Cal's Marqise Lee.

    The Steelers theoretically could help Roethlisberger by taking a left tackle with their first pick. But it's not a glaring need after the way Kelvin Beachum played in 11 starts last season, and the Steelers have invested two first-round picks and two second-round picks since 2010 on their offensive line.

    It's time to let new offensive coach Mike Munchak, one of the best hires of the offseason, to get the most out of those players, particularly tackles Mike Adams and Marcus Gilbert.

    Any number of positions on defense also could be addressed with the first-round pick, and even if the Steelers target a pass-catcher at No. 15, they might find North Carolina's Eric Ebron too tempting to pass on if he is still available.

    The NFL scouting combine, which starts Thursday, should provide more clarity for the Steelers. They will get an extended look at the underclassmen as a group and will presumably fill in more blanks as they start to assemble their draft board.

    It is too early to tell where the Steelers will find help for Roethlisberger in this draft. But it has become clear that giving him the best chance of succeeding in the coming seasons has become as much of a priority for the Steelers as addressing a defense that is in need of reinforcements.

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  • K Train
    Hall of Famer
    • Jan 2014
    • 3685

    #2
    Im glad they said "tall or a game breaking one" because height is so overrated. Id take a marqise lee at 6-0 over kelvin benjamin at 6-6 all day.

    We havent moved up since 05 with holmes.....maybe if sammy falls out of the top 5...<3333

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    • JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
      Hall of Famer
      • May 2008
      • 3937

      #3
      Height is NOT overated when it comes to Redzone Scoring & in the face of a blitz. The Steelers have struggled in the redzone settling for FGs. It has to do with trajectory of a ball in a short area going over 6'4"+ OL/DL in front of you. The shortest player in the Top 10 receiving TDs is Dez Bryant & he is 6'2".

      The Steelers have 1 big receiving threat inside & that's Miller. The compliment to him would be one outside. When the field gets short you see Cover 0 & Cover 1. That safety could only help on direction. Believe it or not...That added piece will help AB in redzone TD catches because he runs a dangerous corner route. You work the Y in combination with the TE in rub routes & the safety sits over the Top of them. Your X is 1 on 1 on the otherside. Many of you know exactly what I am saying because I'm sure you curse at the TV when you see Steelers defenders getting "picked" in the redzone & you wanted a penalty. It's football.

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      • K Train
        Hall of Famer
        • Jan 2014
        • 3685

        #4
        Height is definitely overrated, mostly because most tall wrs are terrible. They few that arent are usually superstars though. Guys like sweed, dwayne jarrett, james hardy, ramses barden come to mind. All of them struggled with getting separation (except sweed oddly enough), struggled with running anything close to a halfway decent route because they run so sloppy and rounded routes.

        A lot of WRs that are 6-3 plus also dont score a ton in the RZ, Andre Johnson and Keshawn Johnson for instance are/were always between the 20s guys. Julio Jones almost never scores in the redzone, many many of his TDs are long plays with a ton of YAC

        Ben thoughout his career hasnt exactly lit the world on fire in the redzone, him sure having a guy that can jump real high and get the ball would be helpful but id much rather a guy that could do more than that

        If benjamin is their guy, thats cool. But if hes just getting 30 catches a year for 8 TDs, the production on the scoreboard is nice but id rather a guy go for 80 catches, 1000 yards, and 5 TDs across from brown. Im really up and down on Benjamin and Evans, its definitely going to be interesting to see them at the combine. I still have a thing for Moncrief, who might be the total package as far as being complete and tall-ish

        If a guy is 6-0/6-1 thats plenty tall enough. Average height is still good height

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        • Shawn
          Legend
          • Mar 2008
          • 15131

          #5
          You are both right. In most cases height means little. But, when you have a tall WR who can grab a ball at his jumping apex...RZ efficiency goes way up.
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          • JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
            Hall of Famer
            • May 2008
            • 3937

            #6
            Originally posted by K Train
            Height is definitely overrated, mostly because most tall wrs are terrible. They few that aren't are usually superstars though. Guys like sweed, dwayne jarrett, james hardy, ramses barden come to mind. All of them struggled with getting separation (except sweed oddly enough), struggled with running anything close to a halfway decent route because they run so sloppy and rounded routes.

            A lot of WRs that are 6-3 plus also dont score a ton in the RZ, Andre Johnson and Keshawn Johnson for instance are/were always between the 20s guys. Julio Jones almost never scores in the redzone, many many of his TDs are long plays with a ton of YAC

            Ben thoughout his career hasnt exactly lit the world on fire in the redzone, him sure having a guy that can jump real high and get the ball would be helpful but id much rather a guy that could do more than that

            If benjamin is their guy, thats cool. But if hes just getting 30 catches a year for 8 TDs, the production on the scoreboard is nice but id rather a guy go for 80 catches, 1000 yards, and 5 TDs across from brown. Im really up and down on Benjamin and Evans, its definitely going to be interesting to see them at the combine. I still have a thing for Moncrief, who might be the total package as far as being complete and tall-ish

            If a guy is 6-0/6-1 thats plenty tall enough. Average height is still good height


            I could build a list of small duds too. Height is 100% legit in creating a mismatch. Height has to be matched with talent...Same as a shrimp with talent..That isn't a revaltion in the NFL. I'm not discounting the 5'10"-6'0" guys...BUT the Steelers have them. You aren't sniffing that part. You also aren't realizing the scheme concept of the other 10 guys on the field. Like I stated...the impact on the others with Miller & another Big Bodied guy on the field. The word "stall" is associated with the Steelers offense when it hits the redzone. Thats when the field is shortened & they have to beat the press. That's when the ball is coming across the middle at a higher trajectory. You need the big body to go up & get it with the large radius and shield. The concern in the redzone fades from over the Top help to physical match-up. That's not opinion..that's football 101.

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            • Oviedo
              Legend
              • May 2008
              • 23824

              #7
              It's all about Ben. Until we find another it should be.
              Last edited by Oviedo; 02-20-2014, 01:13 PM.
              "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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              • feltdizz
                Legend
                • May 2008
                • 27531

                #8
                Originally posted by Oviedo
                The curse of being a low life moron is what got Rice. Hitting a woman is a place you never go no matter what.
                I agree.. I wonder if the video in the elevator will be erased or destroyed like all the other video's involving NFL players.

                I also wonder why this is in a thread about Ben and a big WR...
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                • Oviedo
                  Legend
                  • May 2008
                  • 23824

                  #9
                  Originally posted by K Train
                  If benjamin is their guy, thats cool. But if hes just getting 30 catches a year for 8 TDs, the production on the scoreboard is nice but id rather a guy go for 80 catches, 1000 yards, and 5 TDs across from brown.
                  Ebron could be that guy. He is much more of a match up challenge than any of the WRs being discussed
                  "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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                  • K Train
                    Hall of Famer
                    • Jan 2014
                    • 3685

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Oviedo
                    Ebron could be that guy. He is much more of a match up challenge than any of the WRs being discussed
                    ebron could bring exactly what I would want this offense to be

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                    • feltdizz
                      Legend
                      • May 2008
                      • 27531

                      #11
                      Originally posted by K Train
                      ebron could bring exactly what I would want this offense to be
                      we pick up Ebron... he has a Spaeth type of year production wise and people will beyotch and moan.

                      Not saying he won't turn into something special but I think we have sprinter expectations while watching our FO run a marathon.
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                      • JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
                        Hall of Famer
                        • May 2008
                        • 3937

                        #12
                        Originally posted by feltdizz
                        we pick up Ebron... he has a Spaeth type of year production wise and people will beyotch and moan.

                        Not saying he won't turn into something special but I think we have sprinter expectations while watching our FO run a marathon.


                        Ebron would be burried on the depth chart. Speath wouldn't be cut in favor of Ebron because he won't be ready inline his rookie year. If they believe he is the BPA I'm sure he will be considered but I don't se him being rated highly as a Steeler TE...I don't see the "fit". I think they would be more interested in Jenkins or a Niklas outside the 1st.

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                        • K Train
                          Hall of Famer
                          • Jan 2014
                          • 3685

                          #13
                          Originally posted by feltdizz
                          we pick up Ebron... he has a Spaeth type of year production wise and people will beyotch and moan.

                          Not saying he won't turn into something special but I think we have sprinter expectations while watching our FO run a marathon.
                          Its not about their production as a rookie, its about their production for the next 5 years. Benjamin could definitely have the best rookie year and score 10 TDs because hes so tall, but id be stunned if he ends up the best pass catcher out of the draft

                          Ebron to me is in the Vernon Davis-caliber of a TE prospect. MANY TEs recently have been 2nd/3rd/4th round picks and bee wildly successful, teams keep looking for that next one with guys like Eifert, Rudolph, Gresham, Pettigrew, Fleener, Ertz...all fine players, but not that kind of dynamic weapon teams are looking for when trying to find the next gronk or graham.

                          Its worth taking a flier on to me though, Ebron can be one hell of an added weapon

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                          • K Train
                            Hall of Famer
                            • Jan 2014
                            • 3685

                            #14
                            Originally posted by JUST-PLAIN-NASTY

                            Ebron would be burried on the depth chart. Speath wouldn't be cut in favor of Ebron because he won't be ready inline his rookie year. If they believe he is the BPA I'm sure he will be considered but I don't se him being rated highly as a Steeler TE...I don't see the "fit". I think they would be more interested in Jenkins or a Niklas outside the 1st.
                            Historically no, but you draft ebron to catch the ball, not be a "3rd TE". Spaeth is a phenomenal zone blocker, he will be great as the offense develops. Miller is on his last few seasons, i think he'll bounce back but getting someone now sure wouldnt hurt.

                            I do really like Niklas and ASJ, both would be great fits. Amaro is pretty meh to me

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                            • Shawn
                              Legend
                              • Mar 2008
                              • 15131

                              #15
                              I see the logic of going strong on O...I really do. But, it feels like we are sacrificing the future in hopes of squeezing out one more SB. It seems to be going against what has made this organization great...and that's picking the best player. Now, if Evans and KB are the best players on their board...so be it.
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