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I agree the NT is very critical to the 3-4 and would love if Nix was the second coming of Hampton or close to it. I have my reservations on him. Too bad he won't play in the Senior Bowl (I'm assuming with the knee injury). I would hate to pass on a playmaker for the offense or a DB stud when I'm not totally sold on the guy. Obviously the Steelers FO will be way better informed than me.
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1. C.J. Mosley LB Alabama
2. Jordan Matthews WR Vanderbilt
3. (comp) Philip Gaines CB Rice
4. Arthur Lynch TE Georgia
5. Ross Cockrell CB Duke
5. (comp) Derrick Hopkins DT Virginia Tech
6. Josh Mauro DE Stanford
6. (comp) Shaquil Barrett OLB Colorado State
7. Quincy Enunwa WR Nebraska -
only poe and raji (who isnt even a true NT) would be guys drafted higher at the position if we took a NG at 15
balt - cody - late 2nd
SD -cam thomas - 5th
colts - franklin - low level FA singing from SF. who ho was an original 5th rounder from baltimore
texans - mitchell 3rd
browns - taylor 21st overall... has he stood out in any game vs. us?
jets - ellis 3rd
buff - kyle williams. NT playing 4 man front 5th round
49ers - dorsey. former bust as 4-3 DL with KC... lowlevel FA signing
cards -williams late 1st and t'aamu
saints - bunkly low level FA pick up (former philly 1st). jenkins 3rd
skins - cofield - mid level FA singing.. drated by NYG in the 4th where he played DT
eagles - sopoaga - LL FA singing from SF where he was origianlly a 4th rder
other recent notables - jay ratliff 7th rder. kemo brother's was undrafted and played well for a long stretch
the last couple of years here, casey was pretty washed up and coming off the field in passing situations. yet, we still had a top defensive unit without him being the player he was in his prime.
I dont think we need a 15 overall pick to duplicate that production in theose years and still be a top defenseComment
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Chis Hoke who never made first team all conference in the defensive talent hotbed that is the MOUNTAIN WEST before becoming a undrafted Steeler was 17-1 as a starter.
Example:
Bens rookie season Casey out for the season game 6.
Most games missed of Casey's career (10).
Was all hope lost as our defense plunged into mediocrity? Nope.
Hoke starts the remaining 10 games and not only do we win all 10, we end up with the number one defense in both points and yardage and a Steeler all time record for wins.
We lost nothing when Casey was out when we had a stable of pro bowl linebackers.
Put Potsie and Harrison in their prime on this team and we would be talking about how McClendon makes them look great.
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Hoke was not drafted, we had no plan save for hoping he might make the team. He did not even dress many games for years and never played a down until 2004. That is the season he started 10 games.Yay for Hoke and that tired stat. Hoke was drafted the same year as Hampton for a reason.... and Hampton started every game when healthy for a reason.
Never said Hoke was better, just that Casey was not the key to our defensive success he is made out to be. He was easily replaced with no great ill effect by a guy who was not even a great college player.
Sounds like your point is that just because a team has success with you on it does not mean you are the key?We also won a SB with Cedric Wilson and Sean Mahan....
I agree with that.
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False... everyone and their momma talkedabout how important Casey was to our D. Its great that Hoke was able to learn and fill in when Casey went down but it's disrespectful to act like Casey was an easily replacable part.Hoke was not drafted, we had no plan save for hoping he might make the team. He did not even dress many games for years and never played a down until 2004. That is the season he started 10 games.
Never said Hoke was better, just that Casey was not the key to our defensive success he is made out to be. He was easily replaced with no great ill effect by a guy who was not even a great college player.
Sounds like your point is that just because a team has success with you on it does not mean you are the key?
I agree with that.
Smh at Casey not being key... lol. No one has made Casey into more than what a 2 gap NT is supposed to be. Its not a position that has stats or hard numbers but its the key to every successful NT.
IMO all you have done is prove you need a great NT and good back up NT... I think we have a good back up on the roster but we dont have the great NT. I think Nix could be that guy.
When a guy plays 11 years, has 5 pro bowls and is respected around the league I think it speaks for itself.Last edited by feltdizz; 01-05-2014, 12:41 PM.Steelers 27
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Here's my previous post Shawn:
Our D was gashed against the run this year, so we need our NT play to be dominant. If it's by the draft, so be it, if it's by developing someone who is already on the roster... great. Suring up NT would also allow McClendon, Woods, etc to compete for a position they may be better suited for (DE). I think keeping Keisel around for another year (at a modest price tag) would provide much need leadership and depth.
I'm all for drafting a NT in the first round if that's what's needed. I understand the importance of having "That guy".Comment
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Here's the thing with that quote though: McLendon was not on the field for most if not all of those big runs. The Pryor run in OAK, he was on the sideline. AP's run, Ziggy was on the Nose I believe. Tannehill & Daniel Thomas both ripped off 50+ yard gains... no McLendon. And I think Matt Forte also had a big gain against us, and again--McLendon was not on the field.
It is why I keep asking someone to give a knowledgeable appraisal of him as a NT. If you take those instances as fact, how does that affect your perception of our run D? And then, what does it say about McLendon as a NT? I'm cooling on the Nix stuff, because I have a feeling that McLendon is not only a body in there at NT, but a plus defender in that role.I wasn't hired for my disposition.Comment
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Its interesting that no one will address the McClendon stat you keep asking about.. I think people ran with it and don't have a legit answer.
IMO this is why I want Nix... you can never have too many young healthy monsters up front. I've always been a fan of a strong front 7 and servicable DB's who capitalize off of the pressure generated by our LB's.
Nix, McClendon, Heyward, Wood, Keisel/Hood would be aqesome awesome IMO.Steelers 27
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Steelers 2015 Draft???....Go Freak! As in....
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How about the team with the number one overall pick? When you are a team who has a lot of the parts together except for QB, and have publically stated you are shopping the number 1 overall pick, that means you are not sold on any of the QB's. There is talk that they are salivating over the thought of having J.J. Watt teamed with Ja'Daveon Clowney. After all they have to play Andrew Luck twice a year for the next 10 years. Read this from the Texans.....
"Maybe we'll trade down and still get a quarterback that can do the job and get an outstanding defensive player," McNair said, [URL="http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10238006/houston-texans-owner-bob-mcnair-open-trading-no-1-pick"]via ESPN.com[/URL]. "It's an exciting time. Everything's a moving target. Lot of different pieces."
The 2014 draft will mark the third time in franchise-history that the Texans have held the No. 1 overall pick. In 2002, the expansion Texans used the first overall selection to take Fresno State quarterback David Carr.
Carr didn't do much with the Texans, but he did lead the team to a 2-14 finish in 2005 that gave Houston the No. 1 overall pick in the 2006 [URL="http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft"]NFL Draft[/URL]. With that pick, the Texans selected North Carolina State defensive end [URL="http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/427356/mario-williams"]Mario Williams[/URL].
"The defensive player worked out better than the offensive player," McNair said. "That won't lock us into anything."
General manager Rick Smith echoed that sentiment, saying there's no guarantee the Texans will draft a quarterback with the No. 1 overall pick, "I don't think you take a particular position just because you need a particular position at any point in the draft, especially the first pick," Smith said. "So we'll rank it, we'll value it, and we'll make good choices if the opportunity presents itself to move back because it is a very valuable pick, and we'll entertain those as well."
[URL]http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24397002/texans-owner-bob-mcnair-houston-open-to-trading-no-1-pick[/URL]Steelers 2015 Draft???....Go Freak! As in....
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