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  • fezziwig
    Hall of Famer
    • Jan 2009
    • 3515

    Veterans

    If the Steelers learned anything from keeping Aaron Smith too long they will release Brett Kiesel. Clark made the comment or something to the affect that, he does not give minimum effort so his pay should not be minimized. I agree about his effort but, his results are not the same of a younger Ryan Clark. He better have a self-awareness check with the value of his present days skills compared to his past efforts. The talk about Ike Taylor being moved to safety is nice but, a couple of things come to mind. I really don't think Ike has lost that much of a step and if he had, he's savvy enough to know how to position himself with remaining a corner. Can he physically hold up to being a safety ? It could be a good thing with him at safety, still on the team, allowing the exit of another safety and if the new corner they plug in for Ike is not cutting it, move Ike back to corner. Troy should remain if he takes a pay cut. If his injury prone style of play didn't cause me alarm I would be all in favor of keeping him at a good salary. Plaxico is gone.
  • grotonsteel
    Hall of Famer
    • Jul 2008
    • 2810

    #2
    If Brett Kiesel is not resigned who will play RDE?? They will either have to sign Kiesel for 1-yr contract and draft a DE early in the draft or they will have to extend Ziggy who has shown nothing so far.

    I will look for a mid-tier FA.
    Steelers Draft 2015
    Rd 1: Devante Parker - WR/ Kevin Johnson - CB
    Rd 2: Danielle Hunter -OLB
    Rd 3: Steven Nelson - CB
    Rd 4: Derron Smith - S
    Rd 5: Henry Anderson - DE
    Rd 6: Wes Saxton - TE
    Rd 7: Deon Simon - DT

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    • phillyesq
      Legend
      • May 2008
      • 7568

      #3
      Originally posted by grotonsteel
      If Brett Kiesel is not resigned who will play RDE?? They will either have to sign Kiesel for 1-yr contract and draft a DE early in the draft or they will have to extend Ziggy who has shown nothing so far.

      I will look for a mid-tier FA.
      I think a mid-tier FA might the best option. I like Kiesel, but he has missed time with injuries in the past 2 years, and that isn't likely to improve with age. If he agreed to a qualified minimum contract, you could consider him as a rotational player, but the Steelers need to find another starter opposite Heyward. I'd prefer that it not be Ziggy Hood.

      As for Clark, he was a big part of some very good teams, but thanks for the memories and time to move on to ESPN.

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      • steelz09
        Administrator
        • Jan 2008
        • 4675

        #4
        I don't think Ike at safety is a good idea. The Steelers should draft a safety (Ha Ha Clinton-Dix), sign a reasonable FS in FA, or play Golden.

        And for the record, I think Clark's comment is moronic at best. His pay shouldn't be based on effort... it should be based on RESULTS from his EFFORTS.
        Tomlin: Let's unleash hell and "mop the floor" with the competition.

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        • Shoe
          Hall of Famer
          • May 2008
          • 4044

          #5
          Originally posted by steelz09
          I don't think Ike at safety is a good idea. The Steelers should draft a safety (Ha Ha Clinton-Dix), sign a reasonable FS in FA, or play Golden.

          And for the record, I think Clark's comment is moronic at best. His pay shouldn't be based on effort... it should be based on RESULTS from his EFFORTS.
          I'm curious, when you call for Clinton-Dix, do you ignore Rolando McClain, Courtney Upshaw, Dont'a Hightower, Dre Kirkpatrick, Kareem Jackson, Dee Milliner... none of whom has yet set the league on fire? I'm not saying they won't, nor am I hating... I'm just curious if you simply look at him in/of himself, and if you do, how? Right or wrong, it's hard for me to separate one from the other. (Same goes with CJ Mosley, Kuondjio, etc.)

          I think the best single thing we can do for ourselves (besides getting Troy to stay at a reduced rate), is doing the same thing with Woodley. I think getting a cheaper Woodley will allow us to see Worilds go, who I don't think is worth what the market will demand. I think he is an injury-prone guy (like Woodley), and we would be best served letting him walk and finding Woodley's replacement in the next couple years. In that time, we would just have to cross our fingers, that Woodley could give us 12 games a year.
          I wasn't hired for my disposition.

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          • hawaiiansteel
            Legend
            • May 2008
            • 35649

            #6
            Originally posted by grotonsteel
            If Brett Kiesel is not resigned who will play RDE?? They will either have to sign Kiesel for 1-yr contract and draft a DE early in the draft or they will have to extend Ziggy who has shown nothing so far.
            if we were to choose NT Louis Dix III in Round 1, that would allow Steve McLendon to move to DE which might be more of a natural position for him.

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            • 8467thekraken
              Starter
              • Apr 2012
              • 720

              #7
              Originally posted by hawaiiansteel
              if we were to choose NT Louis Dix III in Round 1, that would allow Steve McLendon to move to DE which might be more of a natural position for him.

              I agree with this. That would be quite a formidable front three. Maybe get Keisel to come back discounted and as a backup on a 1 year deal. Aenfelt would be the other DE.

              Address S, CB and a TE in rounds 2-4.

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              • DukieBoy
                Hall of Famer
                • May 2008
                • 3488

                #8
                One more year for Keisel. He still has it on the field, and would provide some leadership. My $.02





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                • fezziwig
                  Hall of Famer
                  • Jan 2009
                  • 3515

                  #9
                  I like Hawaiinsteels idea with this. I too worry if Worilds will be the right guy if signed to a big contract. Will Larry Foote be back and or has Williams ddeserved another shot at getting better at the position ?

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                  • steelblood
                    Hall of Famer
                    • May 2008
                    • 4166

                    #10
                    I think Al Woods could be a decent starter at DE. Since Woods and McClendon can play any position on the line, the Steelers have some draft flexibility. Fangupo could develop as a NT. I still don't see why we cut Ta'Amu. I really thought he played well in the preseason.
                    Even if Bill Belichick was getting an atomic wedgie, his face would look exactly the same.

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                    • Jooser
                      Legend
                      • Jul 2008
                      • 5102

                      #11
                      Originally posted by fezziwig
                      I like Hawaiinsteels idea with this. I too worry if Worilds will be the right guy if signed to a big contract. Will Larry Foote be back and or has Williams ddeserved another shot at getting better at the position ?
                      Exactly, Worilds had a solid second half to the season, but he's no more durable than Woodley, imho...
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                      • flippy
                        Legend
                        • Dec 2008
                        • 17088

                        #12
                        Originally posted by grotonsteel
                        If Brett Kiesel is not resigned who will play RDE?? They will either have to sign Kiesel for 1-yr contract and draft a DE early in the draft or they will have to extend Ziggy who has shown nothing so far.

                        I will look for a mid-tier FA.
                        I really liked Arnfelt last preseason.
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                        • fezziwig
                          Hall of Famer
                          • Jan 2009
                          • 3515

                          #13
                          Originally posted by steelblood
                          I think Al Woods could be a decent starter at DE. Since Woods and McClendon can play any position on the line, the Steelers have some draft flexibility. Fangupo could develop as a NT. I still don't see why we cut Ta'Amu. I really thought he played well in the preseason.
                          That's a good question with why they cut Ta'Amu. I would have to guess that, they wanted him, the team to know that your not above the law or whatever if you want to be a Steeler. I'm also guessing that they didn't want to crush a young mans ability to rebound from his troubles and why they kept him through the ordeal, banishment/suspension. Possibly they felt his head was on a little better and decided to cut him afterwards. They did the same thing with the TE Saunders too if I recall correctly. Has anyone picked up Ta'Amu after the Steelers released him ? I know they were really happy to have him on the team once they drafted him. Better learning quickly that he was a troubled guy before they spent too much money and seasons on him.

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                          • Djfan
                            Legend
                            • May 2008
                            • 5184

                            #14
                            I think letting Keisel go now is not mandatory. He has something to offer on the field, and in the locker room.
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                            • Rod Polamalu
                              Backup
                              • Nov 2013
                              • 183

                              #15
                              As mentioned,...Nix on the field with Heyward and Mclendon is a problem up front for any Team in the League. Honestly, whose blocking either one of them (Heyward or Mclendon) with but a single man for four quarters when they are playing next to a true 3-4 NT ?

                              The upgrade to the front seven would be considerable. And keeping Keisel and Woods would provide quality depth. Would we still require a single stud inside backer and one outside to have a dominant front seven ?,....yes. But it's a start.
                              Last edited by Rod Polamalu; 01-08-2014, 01:47 AM.

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