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  • RuthlessBurgher
    Legend
    • May 2008
    • 33208

    #91
    If we wasted a 4th round pick taking Landry Jones when we already had Roethlisberger, does that mean that New England really wasted a 3rd round pick taking Ryan Mallett when they already had Brady, and does that mean that Denver really, really wasted a 2nd round pick taking Brock Osweiler when they already had Peyton?
    Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

    Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

    We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

    We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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    • flippy
      Legend
      • Dec 2008
      • 17088

      #92
      Originally posted by RuthlessBurgher
      If we wasted a 4th round pick taking Landry Jones when we already had Roethlisberger, does that mean that New England really wasted a 3rd round pick taking Ryan Mallett when they already had Brady, and does that mean that Denver really, really wasted a 2nd round pick taking Brock Osweiler when they already had Peyton?
      In fairness, Denver and NE didn't already have a Gradkowski on their rosters with an extended contract.
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      • phillyesq
        Legend
        • May 2008
        • 7568

        #93
        Originally posted by RuthlessBurgher
        If we wasted a 4th round pick taking Landry Jones when we already had Roethlisberger, does that mean that New England really wasted a 3rd round pick taking Ryan Mallett when they already had Brady, and does that mean that Denver really, really wasted a 2nd round pick taking Brock Osweiler when they already had Peyton?
        I am ok with investing a pick as a backup QB, but I wasn't thrilled by the selection of Jones as that guy. He looked awful in the preseason and I have still yet to see a report that says anything positive about his work in practice or otherwise. Jones was also questionable from a value standpoint. Was he any better than the kid from Tulane or Miami of Ohio? Any better than McGloin? Tyler Bray? Selecting Jones there just seemed like a poor value. Especially when considering that the Steelers gave up an early third round pick in 2014 for Schmarko.

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        • steelz09
          Administrator
          • Jan 2008
          • 4675

          #94
          Originally posted by phillyesq
          I am ok with investing a pick as a backup QB, but I wasn't thrilled by the selection of Jones as that guy. He looked awful in the preseason and I have still yet to see a report that says anything positive about his work in practice or otherwise. Jones was also questionable from a value standpoint. Was he any better than the kid from Tulane or Miami of Ohio? Any better than McGloin? Tyler Bray? Selecting Jones there just seemed like a poor value. Especially when considering that the Steelers gave up an early third round pick in 2014 for Schmarko.
          Why do you thinks Jones was poor value. His career at Oklahoma would not indicate 'poor value'.
          Tomlin: Let's unleash hell and "mop the floor" with the competition.

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          • phillyesq
            Legend
            • May 2008
            • 7568

            #95
            Originally posted by steelz09
            Why do you thinks Jones was poor value. His career at Oklahoma would not indicate 'poor value'.
            He seemed to be a guy that struggled with pressure - not what you want with a backup QB. Also, I think he was a poor value because I don't think there was much to separate his potential as an NFL QB from any of the other guys I listed in my post.

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            • ikestops85
              Hall of Famer
              • Jun 2008
              • 3724

              #96
              Originally posted by RuthlessBurgher
              If we wasted a 4th round pick taking Landry Jones when we already had Roethlisberger, does that mean that New England really wasted a 3rd round pick taking Ryan Mallett when they already had Brady, and does that mean that Denver really, really wasted a 2nd round pick taking Brock Osweiler when they already had Peyton?
              I don't think we wasted the pick taking Jones. I think we wasted the pick getting rid of Hoyer and being forced to take someone like Jones.
              As many on this site think ... The Rooney's suck, Colbert sucks, Tomlin sucks, the coaches suck, and the players suck.

              but Go Steelers!!!

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              • Eddie Spaghetti
                Hall of Famer
                • Jul 2008
                • 4123

                #97
                Originally posted by feltdizz
                all you do is complain about the same thing over and over and over again. You hate the QB pick last year... we got it the 50th time you typed it.
                says the guy with 11,000 posts.

                I'm sure all of those 11,000 were original.

                look in the mirror old timer

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                • feltdizz
                  Legend
                  • May 2008
                  • 27532

                  #98
                  Originally posted by Eddie Spaghetti
                  says the guy with 11,000 posts.

                  I'm sure all of those 11,000 were original.

                  look in the mirror old timer
                  Blow harder... lol
                  Steelers 27
                  Rats 16

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                  • Rod Polamalu
                    Backup
                    • Nov 2013
                    • 183

                    #99
                    Originally posted by steelblood
                    Nix is a good player. But, he is not much of a pass rusher, and he has ended both of the last seasons with injuries. It is hard to take a DL in the top ten who does not get after the QB in today's NFL.

                    You have a valid point in regards to the injuries Blood. However i feel as though Nix does indeed have the talent, skill set and will to be the spearhead of our defense. As a 3-4 NT's job is to control his gap, dominate the point of attack, demand a double team every down and pressure and or collapse the pocket with consistency.

                    He is not necessarily there to get after the QB in a "sexy" manner in terms of sacks.

                    That is the job of the LB corp,...which is made easier to do so because the DE's then have the potential to be very effective against the run while absorbing blockers because of the aforementioned performance by said NT.

                    It's also my opinion that Nix is the only NT prospect of this draft with the proper temperment to play in a 3-4. He is aggressive, confident and not lazy.

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                    • Rod Polamalu
                      Backup
                      • Nov 2013
                      • 183

                      Originally posted by Oviedo
                      A NT being "hard to find" is what makes the long term sustainability of the 3-4 questionable. As we have seen after Hampton, they are very, very hard to find and if you do find one you are going to have to pay through the nose to keep him. I would not take Nix in the Top 10 either.
                      So which OT would you take in the top ten to cater to a Qb that for the most part of his career has (and it appears always will) struggle to lead offenses that put up actual points ? And just merely at best somewhat consistently perform successfully between the 20 yard lines even with solid O-line play,... and in the past exceptional receivers and a TE to bail him out with improvisation and YAC.

                      I feel where you are coming from dude,....but i gotta say go defense.
                      Last edited by Rod Polamalu; 12-12-2013, 03:00 AM.

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                      • JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
                        Hall of Famer
                        • May 2008
                        • 3937

                        I don't like any of the defensive prospects for the Steelers that they may have a shot at in the Top 15. That may change as underclassman declare...But I will pass on D.

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                        • birtikidis
                          Hall of Famer
                          • May 2008
                          • 4628

                          I had a dream that we were gunning for an ILB from Tennessee and the team before us took him. We ended up trading back and ended up with Nix and either purifoy or benjamin (My dream was like I was watching a highlight reel and the only players in it were Purifoy and Benjamin).

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                          • Oviedo
                            Legend
                            • May 2008
                            • 23824

                            Originally posted by JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
                            I don't like any of the defensive prospects for the Steelers that they may have a shot at in the Top 15. That may change as underclassman declare...But I will pass on D.
                            I agree. That is why I think we go OT or the best WR. As much as we need TE, no one worth taking in the Top 10-15. Only defensive position I see that would help us in the Top 10 (unless we go 4-3) is Cornerback but that could be a reach.
                            "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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                            • flippy
                              Legend
                              • Dec 2008
                              • 17088

                              What do you guys think of Jace Amaro if he declares? He's probably a guy that should go in the 10-15 range maybe higher. He's a TE, but might be the best WR in this year's class.

                              He'd be a big go to target for Ben. Not sure he's ready to play inline as a blocking TE, but he has the size to develop over time. Having him on the field with Heath would definitely take pressure off the outside WRs and help open up more room for Bell in the running game.

                              I think he could be one of the biggest impact picks we could make depending on where we select. Looks like he has great hands, can go get a ball that's in his vicinity, and runs pretty well in the open field.
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                              • fezziwig
                                Hall of Famer
                                • Jan 2009
                                • 3515

                                You can argue we need a left tackle over a corner, over a nose tackle and you can argue we need a corner or nose tackle over a tackle or what ever scenario you want and all would be correct. The most correct point of all of this is, our front office or picks have not been working out. They kept guys around too long and now with age/injuries or salaries, we are off the scale with what we need. We actually need two corners, a strong and weak safety along with nose tackle and left tackle. Our draft picks haven't been panning out and until we get some sleepers in the draft that step up or free agency signings it doesn't matter who we draft or what position the Steelers go for this up an coming draft season.

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