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  • steelblood
    Hall of Famer
    • May 2008
    • 4166

    It won't happen, but I'd trade...

    As the deadline is here, I'd trade any and all aging vets or guys in contract years. This team is not going to get turned around this season. And, I don't believe next season will be a dramatic improvement.

    I'd put Troy, Keisel, Sanders, Heath (who will make around 10 million next season), Hood, Ike and Clark on the block to see if anyone was interested.

    I'd entertain only fantastic offers for BB.

    I'd even listen to offers for Woodley.

    We need to get out of cap hell and rebuild this team the right way.
    Even if Bill Belichick was getting an atomic wedgie, his face would look exactly the same.
  • flippy
    Legend
    • Dec 2008
    • 17088

    #2
    Originally posted by steelblood
    As the deadline is here, I'd trade any and all aging vets or guys in contract years. This team is not going to get turned around this season. And, I don't believe next season will be a dramatic improvement.

    I'd put Troy, Keisel, Sanders, Heath (who will make around 10 million next season), Hood, Ike and Clark on the block to see if anyone was interested.

    I'd entertain only fantastic offers for BB.

    I'd even listen to offers for Woodley.

    We need to get out of cap hell and rebuild this team the right way.
    There goes my theory that we'd all keep Heath
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    • steelblood
      Hall of Famer
      • May 2008
      • 4166

      #3
      Originally posted by flippy
      There goes my theory that we'd all keep Heath
      I don't want to trade Heath (in my heart). He is very valuable to this team. But, he is getting old and he is waaaaaay overpaid for next season. Some smart business decisions should be made to begin the rebuilding.
      Even if Bill Belichick was getting an atomic wedgie, his face would look exactly the same.

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      • Shoe
        Hall of Famer
        • May 2008
        • 4044

        #4
        Originally posted by steelblood
        I don't want to trade Heath (in my heart). He is very valuable to this team. But, he is getting old and he is waaaaaay overpaid for next season. Some smart business decisions should be made to begin the rebuilding.
        How is Miller "waaaaaay overpaid"? Because I looked it up, and he signed a $35 million deal, which includes a $12m signing bonus back in 09. That doesn't seem unreasonable at all to me. Actually sounds like a pretty good deal, for a 6 year deal and a guy as proven as he is. Did he renegotiate?
        I wasn't hired for my disposition.

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        • Ghost
          Legend
          • May 2008
          • 6338

          #5
          Next year won't be a dramatic improvement because the Steelers are fighting against 5 - 6 years of bad to downright horrible drafting. Too many 2nd tier players are starters or projects that never fully developed. One, possible 2 drafts can be recovered from but not year after year after year. Both O and D lines are filled with guys who were drafted 2 high or they have undrafted guys there.

          I know the Steelers have never been big on bringing in too much outside help (with a few big exceptions) but it may be time to adjust the business model. Also, there's hope this year's draft reverses the trend and there are 3 if not 4 real players coming out of it (Bell, Jones, Thomas - never see Wheaton so tough to say).
          Last edited by Ghost; 10-29-2013, 12:32 PM.
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          • phillyesq
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            • May 2008
            • 7568

            #6
            The only guy who I could see having any potential of being moved at the deadline is Sanders, but I can't see him bringing in a 3rd or even a 4th in return. The Steelers had the chance to cash him in for a pick, and passed it up.

            What would Hood bring in return? A conditional 7th?

            As for the rest of the guys, their salary would make a move nearly impossible.

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            • feltdizz
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              • May 2008
              • 27532

              #7
              Originally posted by phillyesq
              The only guy who I could see having any potential of being moved at the deadline is Sanders, but I can't see him bringing in a 3rd or even a 4th in return. The Steelers had the chance to cash him in for a pick, and passed it up.

              What would Hood bring in return? A conditional 7th?

              As for the rest of the guys, their salary would make a move nearly impossible.
              ..and this is why we are screwed. Baltimore shed Heap, Mason, a DE and McGahee in 2011 and we laughed at them.

              We doubled down on an old bunch IMO and we are paying the price.
              Steelers 27
              Rats 16

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              • Dee Dub
                Hall of Famer
                • Jan 2010
                • 4652

                #8
                Originally posted by steelblood
                ........This team is not going to get turned around this season. And, I don't believe next season will be a dramatic improvement...We need to get out of cap hell and rebuild this team the right way..
                Yep.....but there is only one way to turn this team around in a somewhat fast way. See Dallas Cowboys October 12, 1989.
                Steelers 2015 Draft???....Go Freak! As in....

                1-Bernardrick McKinney MLB Mississippi State 6 ft 5 250 4.5 40 yard dash

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                • SidSmythe
                  Hall of Famer
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 4708

                  #9
                  this isn't Sega Genesis . . . what team will give up a high pick for a player over 30 that will hurt their cap???
                  Here We Go Steelers, Here We Go...
                  Here We Go Steelers, Here We Go...
                  Here We Go Steelers, Here We Go...!!!

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                  • Dee Dub
                    Hall of Famer
                    • Jan 2010
                    • 4652

                    #10
                    Originally posted by SidSmythe
                    this isn't Sega Genesis . . . what team will give up a high pick for a player over 30 that will hurt their cap???
                    Sid..I am disappointing in you. Do you not understand that teams who trade for Ben will restructure his contract? What kind of contract does Peyton Manning (37 years), currently have with Denver? A cap friendly one.

                    If Ben is made available...teams will come out of the woodwork offering a boat load of picks. Guaranteed.
                    Steelers 2015 Draft???....Go Freak! As in....

                    1-Bernardrick McKinney MLB Mississippi State 6 ft 5 250 4.5 40 yard dash

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                    • BURGH86STEEL
                      Legend
                      • May 2008
                      • 6921

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Dee Dub
                      Sid..I am disappointing in you. Do you not understand that teams who trade for Ben will restructure his contract? What kind of contract does Peyton Manning (37 years), currently have with Denver? A cap friendly one.

                      If Ben is made available...teams will come out of the woodwork offering a boat load of picks. Guaranteed.
                      I don't believe any team would give up a boat load of picks for Ben. Ben doesn't have the magic like he used to have. Steelers would be fortunate to get a number 1 and a number 3 pick based on Ben's recent play.

                      Seriously, if you ran a team what boat load of picks would you give up to acquire Ben?

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                      • Dee Dub
                        Hall of Famer
                        • Jan 2010
                        • 4652

                        #12
                        Originally posted by BURGH86STEEL
                        I don't believe any team would give up a boat load of picks for Ben. Ben doesn't have the magic like he used to have. Steelers would be fortunate to get a number 1 and a number 3 pick based on Ben's recent play.

                        Seriously, if you ran a team what boat load of picks would you give up to acquire Ben?
                        There are several tams in the league that are missing just that one piece. A QB who can win a super bowl. If it is just one piece teams will give up more than usual to acquire one.

                        And professionals understand that Ben's recent play has more to do with the team he has around him than it does him. That is a fan thing. Sorry.
                        Steelers 2015 Draft???....Go Freak! As in....

                        1-Bernardrick McKinney MLB Mississippi State 6 ft 5 250 4.5 40 yard dash

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                        • Dee Dub
                          Hall of Famer
                          • Jan 2010
                          • 4652

                          #13
                          Originally posted by BURGH86STEEL
                          ....
                          Seriously, if you ran a team what boat load of picks would you give up to acquire Ben?
                          To answer your question, If I were Arizona, I'd give up a 1, 2, 3 and Patrick Peterson to acquire Ben. Because without Ben, that 1, 2, 3, and Patrick Petersen isn't going to get them to a super bowl.
                          Steelers 2015 Draft???....Go Freak! As in....

                          1-Bernardrick McKinney MLB Mississippi State 6 ft 5 250 4.5 40 yard dash

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                          • steelblood
                            Hall of Famer
                            • May 2008
                            • 4166

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Shoe
                            How is Miller "waaaaaay overpaid"? Because I looked it up, and he signed a $35 million deal, which includes a $12m signing bonus back in 09. That doesn't seem unreasonable at all to me. Actually sounds like a pretty good deal, for a 6 year deal and a guy as proven as he is. Did he renegotiate?
                            Because we have renegotiated his contract to the point that he has a balloon payment next season. His original contract was generous, but not terrible. But, since we have renegotiated it (a few times, I believe), he will be due elite wide receiver money.

                            Pushing all this money forward has left the STeelers in a bad financial situation. There is a reason Baltimore, New England, etc. don't do this.
                            Even if Bill Belichick was getting an atomic wedgie, his face would look exactly the same.

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                            • steelblood
                              Hall of Famer
                              • May 2008
                              • 4166

                              #15
                              Originally posted by SidSmythe
                              this isn't Sega Genesis . . . what team will give up a high pick for a player over 30 that will hurt their cap???
                              Who asked for a high pick? We need to shed 2014 & beyond salary to get out of cap hell.
                              Even if Bill Belichick was getting an atomic wedgie, his face would look exactly the same.

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