Wallace vs Lewis on MNF

[feltdizz]

I think the Wallace situation was mostly about:

Not overpaying him which is what the Vikings and Miami were willing to do

..and how is that working out for Miami. Sure they are 3-1 but it's not the first time they sniffed 3-1. If they don't make a deep playoff run it's wasted money IMO.

[Sugar]

Agreed. But letting him go was the move Colbert felt would correct our 8-8 season...well that and letting go Wallace and Harrison.

Let's not forget Rashard Mendenhall. Even with the problems he had, he was better than any RB on the team now (until Bell matures anyway).

[Moonie]

Really? Dolphins are 3-1, the Steelers are 0-4.

Steeler fans are in no position to be throwing mud at Wallace.

Sure they are. Half ass player who blew more games with dropped passes (or lack of effort) than he won. Dolphins don't need him to be 3-1, and I don't see how the team silly enough to pay all that money to him matters anyway.

[Eddie Spaghetti]

Sure they are. Half ass player who blew more games with dropped passes (or lack of effort) than he won. Dolphins don't need him to be 3-1, and I don't see how the team silly enough to pay all that money to him matters anyway.

half ass player? Wallace outperformed his paycheck every single year he was here, but all the experts here want to puff their chest out and say we don't need him while we sit winless after a month.

how do you know the dolphins don't need him to be 3-1?seems like a rather foolish statement, IMO

[feltdizz]

[QUOTE=Moonie;577045]Sure they are. Half ass player who blew more games with dropped passes (or lack of effort) than he won. Dolphins don't need him to be 3-1, and I don't see how the team silly enough to pay all that money to him matters anyway.[/QUOTE

Wallace was awesome... a great weapon in BA's offense but his speed would of been wasted with Haley and we simply couldnt afford him.

[Chadman]

Regardless of who it is, the Steelers require a WR that can get open within Ben's 5 step drop. At the moment, they don't have one, and the result is the amount of pressure Ben gets in.


This isn't a "Steelers should have kept Wallace" comment, everyone knows Chadman's opinion on that, but memory has a funny way of disguising & distorting history. If you listen to the anti-Wallace crowd, the only catches Wallace ever made were 45 yards downfield with nobody in coverage, which is simply untrue. Conversely, no WR on the roster has consistantly made plays downfield like Wallace could. And no WR seems to have Ben's confidence the way Wallace did during the Arians years.

[feltdizz]

Regardless of who it is, the Steelers require a WR that can get open within Ben's 5 step drop. At the moment, they don't have one, and the result is the amount of pressure Ben gets in.


This isn't a "Steelers should have kept Wallace" comment, everyone knows Chadman's opinion on that, but memory has a funny way of disguising & distorting history. If you listen to the anti-Wallace crowd, the only catches Wallace ever made were 45 yards downfield with nobody in coverage, which is simply untrue. Conversely, no WR on the roster has consistantly made plays downfield like Wallace could. And no WR seems to have Ben's confidence the way Wallace did during the Arians years.

Key words: Arians years...

[NorthCoast]

Highest paid decoy in the NFL. Your an NFL GM; is $12M/yr OK to pay for a guy that is averaging less than 4 catches/gm? oh, and one who is on pace to catch 4 TDs for the season?...

[Chadman]

Highest paid decoy in the NFL. Your an NFL GM; is $12M/yr OK to pay for a guy that is averaging less than 4 catches/gm? oh, and one who is on pace to catch 4 TDs for the season?...

How the Dolphins pay him/use him is on them.

In his time in Pittsburgh, he wasn't a decoy.

[flippy]

Regardless of who it is, the Steelers require a WR that can get open within Ben's 5 step drop. At the moment, they don't have one, and the result is the amount of pressure Ben gets in.


This isn't a "Steelers should have kept Wallace" comment, everyone knows Chadman's opinion on that, but memory has a funny way of disguising & distorting history. If you listen to the anti-Wallace crowd, the only catches Wallace ever made were 45 yards downfield with nobody in coverage, which is simply untrue. Conversely, no WR on the roster has consistantly made plays downfield like Wallace could. And no WR seems to have Ben's confidence the way Wallace did during the Arians years.

It's hard to tell what the WRs are doing on tv much of the time, but I've seen plenty of shots of AB beating his man off the LOS with his first step. The kid is explosive of the LOS. Actually, I'd put him up against any WR in the game as far as his burst off the LOS goes.

What would help Ben is using play action and moving the pocket. Faking a hand off slows the pass rush and moving doesn't make him a sitting target. Seems like Haley has Ben dropping straight back every play. I don't get it. I'm not sure it's all on the WRs/TEs, it's more the play calling.

[NorthCoast]

How the Dolphins pay him/use him is on them.

In his time in Pittsburgh, he wasn't a decoy.

In his last season in the 'Burgh he was definitely becoming a decoy.... whether intentional or not.

[Chadman]

It's hard to tell what the WRs are doing on tv much of the time, but I've seen plenty of shots of AB beating his man off the LOS with his first step. The kid is explosive of the LOS. Actually, I'd put him up against any WR in the game as far as his burst off the LOS goes.

What would help Ben is using play action and moving the pocket. Faking a hand off slows the pass rush and moving doesn't make him a sitting target. Seems like Haley has Ben dropping straight back every play. I don't get it. I'm not sure it's all on the WRs/TEs, it's more the play calling.

Chadman would believe you about WR's getting open IF Ben didn't drop back & then have to scan the field every pass play. How often does Ben drop back, locate his #1 target & fire it in without hesitation? How often does Ben pump fake to buy time?

Ben needs a guy that is open, 'even when covered'. He's getting older. He's not as capable of buying time as he used to be. And he's simply not surrounded with guys that make him 'better'. Ben needs a release valve in the Offense- what he argued Plaxico would be for him before Burress was let go & moved to the Giants. You add that guy, and the coverage on guys like Brown & Miller is less intensive, the OL isn't having to hold the rushers at bay as long, and the line isn't stacked with an extra DB to stop the run.

[flippy]

Chadman would believe you about WR's getting open IF Ben didn't drop back & then have to scan the field every pass play. How often does Ben drop back, locate his #1 target & fire it in without hesitation? How often does Ben pump fake to buy time?

Ben needs a guy that is open, 'even when covered'. He's getting older. He's not as capable of buying time as he used to be. And he's simply not surrounded with guys that make him 'better'. Ben needs a release valve in the Offense- what he argued Plaxico would be for him before Burress was let go & moved to the Giants. You add that guy, and the coverage on guys like Brown & Miller is less intensive, the OL isn't having to hold the rushers at bay as long, and the line isn't stacked with an extra DB to stop the run.

Sounds like good logic. I wonder why we don't dress Moye any more? He looked great on his one TD reception. I kept thinking to myself I wish he was in when we were in the RZ last game.

[Chadman]

In his last season in the 'Burgh he was definitely becoming a decoy.... whether intentional or not.

The most used decoy in the NFL then- how many catagories did he lead the Steelers in?

But Chadman doesn't want to rehash that argument. Last season, clearly, Wallace was not giving his all. It was the anomoly season in an otherwise stellar Steelers career. And we can pinpoint the issue- contract dispute. If that is solved, what are the chances he plays the same?

[Chadman]

Sounds like good logic. I wonder why we don't dress Moye any more? He looked great on his one TD reception. I kept thinking to myself I wish he was in when we were in the RZ last game.

Moye looks awkward catching. He looks useful as a RZ option, but in general, he doesn't look fluid in his routes or his catches.