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  • Captain Lemming
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    • Jun 2008
    • 16063

    #16
    Originally posted by papillon
    If you live by the draft, then you can't miss in the draft, 2008 and 2009 might as well have not even happened, we have two players out of 16 on the roster Hood and Johnson. In 2010 we got two players Pouncey and Brown, then Worilds, Dwyer and Sanders who are certainly backups on most teams. In 2011 you have Heyward, Gilbert and Brown (Curtis) probably backups on most teams and Allen in the 4th, the jury is out but he looks like a player.

    Can't replenish your team with drafts like that, if you use the draft to the extent that the Steelers do.

    Pappy
    Yes, Pappy THIS is a great description of the problem.
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    • Captain Lemming
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      • Jun 2008
      • 16063

      #17
      Originally posted by Oviedo
      give up too early on Urbik from the 2009 draft.
      And we arent talking a costly free agent that was a straight cut. Had not thought much about that one. It is bad enough to "miss" on picks, but to make a solid pick and let him go AND end up weak at that position......that is really bad.

      I remember thinking he MUST be a bust since we kept a free agent from the same draft (Foster) over him. How often does a draft pick not get much of a chance while a free agent in the same class gets starts games AS A ROOKIE? Usually the free agent has to overcome low expectations to even get noticed compared to a third rounder. I guess Foster was more game ready and I know they thought him more versatile, able to back up guard and tackle positions (though he wound up being a pure guard as a pro).

      Funny just thought of something. Doesnt Fosters skill set seem more suited to tackle? Dude is not a bulldozer whatsoever but is a really solid pass blocker who was a college tackle. He is long, has long arms and just looks like a tackle to me.

      Personally, I like tackles that are invisible (they are seen when they make mistakes) but guards who make me say WHOA because they just destroyed somebody.

      Foster is "invisible" like a good tackle, but rarely EVER makes a GREAT play that gets noticed.
      Last edited by Captain Lemming; 09-23-2013, 11:34 AM.
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      In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:

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      • Mister Pittsburgh
        Hall of Famer
        • Jul 2008
        • 3674

        #18
        Time for some new blood to replace Colbert and I don't want Omar to be that guy.
        @_Hellgrammite

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        • flippy
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          • Dec 2008
          • 17088

          #19
          Originally posted by Captain Lemming
          And we arent talking a costly free agent that was a straight cut. Had not thought much about that one. It is bad enough to "miss" on picks, but to make a solid pick and let him go AND end up weak at that position......that is really bad.

          I remember thinking he MUST be a bust since we kept a free agent from the same draft (Foster) over him. How often does a draft pick not get much of a chance while a free agent in the same class gets starts games AS A ROOKIE? Usually the free agent has to overcome low expectations to even get noticed compared to a third rounder. I guess Foster was more game ready and I know they thought him more versatile, able to back up guard and tackle positions (though he wound up being a pure guard as a pro).

          Funny just thought of something. Doesnt Fosters skill set seem more suited to tackle? Dude is not a bulldozer whatsoever but is a really solid pass blocker who was a college tackle. He is long, has long arms and just looks like a tackle to me.

          Personally, I like tackles that are invisible (they are seen when they make mistakes) but guards who make me say WHOA because they just destroyed somebody.

          Foster is "invisible" like a good tackle, but rarely EVER makes a GREAT play that gets noticed.
          I thought Foster looked great at RT when he had a chance the one preseason. He's basically the size of a tackle and definitely looks the part. He has always seemed too big to me to be an effective guard moving and trying to get leverage on DTs. I wouldn't be against starting next game with him at RT and Beachum at LT. Although Beachum seems to have the perfect build for a G. I don't get the Steelers' OLine sometimes. I always get the sense that everyone is out of position.
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          • Captain Lemming
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            • Jun 2008
            • 16063

            #20
            Originally posted by flippy
            I thought Foster looked great at RT when he had a chance the one preseason. He's basically the size of a tackle and definitely looks the part. He has always seemed too big to me to be an effective guard moving and trying to get leverage on DTs. I wouldn't be against starting next game with him at RT and Beachum at LT. Although Beachum seems to have the perfect build for a G. I don't get the Steelers' OLine sometimes. I always get the sense that everyone is out of position.
            Add how LONG was Colon at tackle? WHAT?
            Dude was BORN to be a guard FROM DAY ONE. This is THE ONE thing "idiot fans" screamed FOR YEARS that took the team FOREVER to get fixed. And we did it for ONE season.
            Imagine we could have switched Colon and Foster YEARS ago and been better off cause Colon would not have had to have all those stupid penalties having to hold speed rushers and would be the mauler inside he was born to be.

            Colon has mad talent as a guard. Once he got comfortable we had that one stretch where we tore it up in the run game, then got hurt. He was MUCH BETTER than Foster will ever be at that position and Foster would have been a better tackle than colon ever was.
            Last edited by Captain Lemming; 09-23-2013, 12:12 PM.
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            In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:

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            • Oviedo
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              • May 2008
              • 23824

              #21
              Originally posted by Captain Lemming
              Add how LONG was Colon at tackle? WHAT?
              Dude was BORN to be a guard FROM DAY ONE. This is THE ONE thing "idiot fans" screamed FOR YEARS that took the team FOREVER to get fixed. And we did it for ONE season.
              Imagine we could have switched Colon and Foster YEARS ago and been better off cause Colon would not have had to have all those stupid penalties having to hold speed rushers and would be the mauler inside he was born to be.

              Colon has mad talent as a guard. Once he got comfortable we had that one stretch where we tore it up in the run game, then got hurt. He was MUCH BETTER than Foster will ever be at that position and Foster would have been a better tackle than colon ever was.
              Foster would get killed at OT. His pass blocking is the weakest part of his very average skillset.
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              • Eddie Spaghetti
                Hall of Famer
                • Jul 2008
                • 4123

                #22
                Originally posted by Oviedo
                Foster would get killed at OT. His pass blocking is the weakest part of his very average skillset.
                totally wrong.

                last year foster gave up like 2 sacks while playing 3 different positions. Had only 3 penalties too, I think.

                but don't let facts get in the way of your agenda.

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