PFT: Brown Confronts Haley on Sideline

[NorthCoast]

This situation is just a symptom of the problem. The problem? There is no clear #1 WR on this team. AB is the most highly paid, but that doesn't mean he is regarded as #1 by the coaching staff.

Game in, game out, one of the guys has to show he is the man. Maybe AB thinks it, but apparently he still needs to convince others (including a few fans).

[birtikidis]

You're badly overrating this team if you think that.

Really? He's over come as many if not more issues than we have now. They also never had a good defense (well once or twice).
You don't think we score enough to beat tennessee or cincy? really?
Ben is in a funk and when he gets out of it, I guarantee we win more games than you think they will.

[papillon]

Really? He's over come as many if not more issues than we have now. They also never had a good defense (well once or twice).
You don't think we score enough to beat tennessee or cincy? really?
Ben is in a funk and when he gets out of it, I guarantee we win more games than you think they will.

That may or may not be true about Manning being on this team, but you're comparing a quarterback that can drop back make his reads and throw the football with confidence that his O-line will provide the necessary protection for him. Ben, on the other hand, has no such confidence (at least it appears that way) and, in reality, Ben's protection is inconsistent which may be worse than always bad. Ben never knows if he'll get the time or not, Peyton is almost certain he will get the time.

Difficult to assess how a different quarterback would operate with this O-line.

Pappy

[feltdizz]

I just think it's odd how everyone thinks this team is so awful. I hate to say this, and I know everyone is going to jump all over me for saying it, but this is a 10 win team with Peyton Manning on it.

with Peyton calling the plays any team besides the Jags could win 10 games these days...

with Haley's plays and this OL and running game? no...hell no

[papillon]

with Peyton calling the plays any team besides the Jags could win 10 games these days...

with Haley's plays and this OL and running game? no...hell no

QFT, no front office that has signed Peyton Manning would allow any OC to call a play. He'd be there to review film, determine where to attack the opponent, give Peyton the plays and tools to attack and then step aside and let the Sheriff go to work. If Haley would get out of Ben's way, we'd see similar results, regardless of what people think, Ben does understand the game and he does know what is working and what isn't.

Could you imagine an OC sending out Cotchery and two rookie or first year receivers and Paulson and then telling Peyton to run an end around to Cotchery. Peyton would call timeout walk over to the OC and tell him he's an idiot, tell the head coach to fire him immediately and then go back to the huddle and run a play with a realistic chance of succeeding. That play would have never seen the light of day if Manning were the quarterback.

Pappy

[birtikidis]

That may or may not be true about Manning being on this team, but you're comparing a quarterback that can drop back make his reads and throw the football with confidence that his O-line will provide the necessary protection for him. Ben, on the other hand, has no such confidence (at least it appears that way) and, in reality, Ben's protection is inconsistent which may be worse than always bad. Ben never knows if he'll get the time or not, Peyton is almost certain he will get the time.

Difficult to assess how a different quarterback would operate with this O-line.

Pappy

Manning can make up for the deficiencies of the offensive line. he gets rid of the ball quick and is smart enough to not throw it to the other team.

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

Manning can make up for the deficiencies of the offensive line. he gets rid of the ball quick and is smart enough to not throw it to the other team.

With this O line, Manning would be throwing it away so often that the guy sitting in the front row would have more receptions by the end of the season than any of our WRs.

[birtikidis]

QFT, no front office that has signed Peyton Manning would allow any OC to call a play. He'd be there to review film, determine where to attack the opponent, give Peyton the plays and tools to attack and then step aside and let the Sheriff go to work. If Haley would get out of Ben's way, we'd see similar results, regardless of what people think, Ben does understand the game and he does know what is working and what isn't.

Could you imagine an OC sending out Cotchery and two rookie or first year receivers and Paulson and then telling Peyton to run an end around to Cotchery. Peyton would call timeout walk over to the OC and tell him he's an idiot, tell the head coach to fire him immediately and then go back to the huddle and run a play with a realistic chance of succeeding. That play would have never seen the light of day if Manning were the quarterback.

Pappy

that would about sum it up. I think our hurry up offense is MUCH more limited than Peyton's. And that's not a knock on Ben I just think that Peyton is given a lot more leeway and is more cerebral than Ben.

[birtikidis]

With this O line, Manning would be throwing it away so often that the guy sitting in the front row would have more receptions by the end of the season than any of our WRs.

With Peyton Manning, this O-line would be full of All Pros.

[SteelerOfDeVille]

I just think it's odd how everyone thinks this team is so awful. I hate to say this, and I know everyone is going to jump all over me for saying it, but this is a 10 win team with Peyton Manning on it.

but, it's a 12 win team with Bruce Arians calling plays...

[SteelerOfDeVille]

QFT, no front office that has signed Peyton Manning would allow any OC to call a play. He'd be there to review film, determine where to attack the opponent, give Peyton the plays and tools to attack and then step aside and let the Sheriff go to work. If Haley would get out of Ben's way, we'd see similar results, regardless of what people think, Ben does understand the game and he does know what is working and what isn't.

Could you imagine an OC sending out Cotchery and two rookie or first year receivers and Paulson and then telling Peyton to run an end around to Cotchery. Peyton would call timeout walk over to the OC and tell him he's an idiot, tell the head coach to fire him immediately and then go back to the huddle and run a play with a realistic chance of succeeding. That play would have never seen the light of day if Manning were the quarterback.

Pappy

Nice post, Pap... spot on!

[Slapstick]

QFT, no front office that has signed Peyton Manning would allow any OC to call a play. He'd be there to review film, determine where to attack the opponent, give Peyton the plays and tools to attack and then step aside and let the Sheriff go to work. If Haley would get out of Ben's way, we'd see similar results, regardless of what people think, Ben does understand the game and he does know what is working and what isn't.

Could you imagine an OC sending out Cotchery and two rookie or first year receivers and Paulson and then telling Peyton to run an end around to Cotchery. Peyton would call timeout walk over to the OC and tell him he's an idiot, tell the head coach to fire him immediately and then go back to the huddle and run a play with a realistic chance of succeeding. That play would have never seen the light of day if Manning were the quarterback.

Pappy

Manning has earned that by maintaining his professionalism off the field and being a leader in the locker room...

Ben, thanks to some piss poor decision making over the years, still hasn't earned that yet...

Perhaps he will, be he isn't there...

[BlitzTo7]

Manning has earned that by maintaining his professionalism off the field and being a leader in the locker room...

Ben, thanks to some piss poor decision making over the years, still hasn't earned that yet...

Perhaps he will, be he isn't there...

And that's the problem. The Steelers could have moved on from Ben when all that happened, but they didn't. They kept him, so they should build around him.

Holding grudges about things that happened years ago when it's clear the guy has matured says more about people like you than it does about Ben.

[SteelerOfDeVille]

Manning has earned that by maintaining his professionalism off the field and being a leader in the locker room...

Ben, thanks to some piss poor decision making over the years, still hasn't earned that yet...

Perhaps he will, be he isn't there...

Bullcrap! Ben's been to and WON more super bowls than Peyton - whether he's a jerk off the field or not, is irrelevant. His football ability has granted him permission to change plays and call out an OC as he sees fit. The difference is, the Rooneys won't have it. They wouldn't from Manning, either. Especially with a guy they hand picked to be OC.

Normal teams don't go to the Super Bowl, then fire their OC - especially the guy who called plays in 2 of the last 3 super bowls at the time of his firing...

[BlitzTo7]

Bullcrap! Ben's been to and WON more super bowls than Peyton - whether he's a jerk off the field or not, is irrelevant. His football ability has granted him permission to change plays and call out an OC as he sees fit. The difference is, the Rooneys won't have it. They wouldn't from Manning, either. Especially with a guy they hand picked to be OC.

Normal teams don't go to the Super Bowl, then fire their OC - especially the guy who called plays in 2 of the last 3 super bowls at the time of his firing...

That makes perfect sense, but some people can't let go of grudges from 2006 and 2010. Hell, the 2010 season wasn't even ruined.

Not hard to see why Terry Bradshaw stays away from this city.