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  • SanAntonioSteelerFan
    Legend
    • May 2008
    • 8361

    It keeps getting alluded to, but does anyone know outside of the FO who ...?

    ... who is responsible for drafting our players?

    Colbert alone?

    Tomlin as well?

    Does Rooney play Jerry Jones?

    I think a lot of our problems are from draft picks that didn't pan out.

    Knowing all that is a bit of a carpshoot, if someone wanted to say it's the fault of the guys responsible for drafting them, I don't think anyone could argue TOO hard.

    So some people are saying to blame Tomlin because he's responsible for making our draft choices. Do we know whether that's true or not?


    We got our "6-PACK" - time to work on a CASE!

    HERE WE GO STEELERS, HERE WE GO!
  • Steelhere10
    Hall of Famer
    • May 2008
    • 3849

    #2
    No one knows , but I will pay to find the answer.
    [url=http://img525.imageshack.us/i/steelers2010.jpg/]http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/2...eelers2010.jpg[/url]

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    • NorthCoast
      Legend
      • Sep 2008
      • 26636

      #3
      The Rooney's make the decisions when they are right, Colbert & Company make them when they are wrong... hope that helps.

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      • thor75
        Pro Bowler
        • Dec 2012
        • 1038

        #4
        My opinion would be that the Rooneys are not involved in drafting the players, unless its to say yea or nay on a prospect who has medical issues.
        1. C.J. Mosley LB Alabama
        2. Jordan Matthews WR Vanderbilt
        3. (comp) Philip Gaines CB Rice
        4. Arthur Lynch TE Georgia
        5. Ross Cockrell CB Duke
        5. (comp) Derrick Hopkins DT Virginia Tech
        6. Josh Mauro DE Stanford
        6. (comp) Shaquil Barrett OLB Colorado State
        7. Quincy Enunwa WR Nebraska

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        • steelz09
          Administrator
          • Jan 2008
          • 4675

          #5
          I bet its close to 60/40. I would hope it's 60 (HC) to 40 (GM)
          Tomlin: Let's unleash hell and "mop the floor" with the competition.

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          • steeler_fan_in_t.o.
            Legend
            • May 2008
            • 10281

            #6
            You never know, but I would say that the hierarchy goes Colbert first, with the Rooneys holding veto power.
            http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/k...to_Mike/to.jpg

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            • Jigawatts
              Hall of Famer
              • May 2008
              • 2639

              #7
              I'm pretty sure they just throw darts at posters of potential selections. But who throws them?
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              • BURGH86STEEL
                Legend
                • May 2008
                • 6921

                #8
                It was stated that everyone in the organization agrees when players were drafted.

                I don't believe the Steelers always draft the best player available. I am sure there are times that players receive the same draft grade. They must have a protocol they follow to determine what player gets drafted. I'd like to know the discussions that take place when it comes time to draft an offensive or defensive player that has equal potential or draft grades. What protocol or who determines what player gets drafted? Do position coaches have a say based on the needs of a particular position? Colbert probably has the final say.

                I don't believe the drafting on this team was a problem. The Steelers can't foresee injuries or the off the field issues with players like Holmes. I think the way players come and go now days is pretty standard for every team. Keeping a good team together in the free agent era is difficult.
                Last edited by BURGH86STEEL; 09-10-2013, 10:19 AM.

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                • flippy
                  Legend
                  • Dec 2008
                  • 17088

                  #9
                  Colbert + Cowher did a good job together in selecting talent. Colbert without Cowher is reverting back to building the Detroit Lions in Pittsburgh.
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                  • SteelBuckeye
                    Backup
                    • Apr 2013
                    • 398

                    #10
                    Originally posted by flippy
                    Colbert + Cowher did a good job together in selecting talent. Colbert without Cowher is reverting back to building the Detroit Lions in Pittsburgh.
                    I believe that Cowher came out of his feud with Donohoe with much more power/control than Tomlin has at this time. Thus, "Colbert's" early drafts with the Steelers were heavily influenced/run by Cowher. Along comes Tomlin without the same power/control that Cowher had and the drafts we are seeing now are heavily influenced/run by Colbert. Just my belief/opinion with nothing factual in evidence.

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                    • BlitzTo7
                      Backup
                      • Sep 2013
                      • 218

                      #11
                      Originally posted by SteelBuckeye
                      I believe that Cowher came out of his feud with Donohoe with much more power/control than Tomlin has at this time. Thus, "Colbert's" early drafts with the Steelers were heavily influenced/run by Cowher. Along comes Tomlin without the same power/control that Cowher had and the drafts we are seeing now are heavily influenced/run by Colbert. Just my belief/opinion with nothing factual in evidence.
                      Keep one thing in mind: in 2010 Colbert wanted to draft Sean Lee, Tomlin wanted to draft Jason Worlids. Colbert does not have all the power when it comes to drafting.

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                      • noitall0605
                        Rookie
                        • Sep 2013
                        • 32

                        #12
                        Originally posted by BlitzTo7
                        Keep one thing in mind: in 2010 Colbert wanted to draft Sean Lee, Tomlin wanted to draft Jason Worlids. Colbert does not have all the power when it comes to drafting.





                        There you go

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                        • GermanCrash
                          Banned
                          • Sep 2013
                          • 30

                          #13
                          The FIRST picks of Cowher and Tomlin: 1992 Searcy, and 2007 Timmons were the head coaches. No one else. That's the "tradition".

                          The rest? They all have input, but Cowher had more say from 2000-2006 unless Dan Rooney "nudged" them in a direction.

                          Colbert has more say now with Tomlin here, than he ever had while he was with Cowher.

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                          • steelz09
                            Administrator
                            • Jan 2008
                            • 4675

                            #14
                            Originally posted by GermanCrash
                            The FIRST picks of Cowher and Tomlin: 1992 Searcy, and 2007 Timmons were the head coaches. No one else. That's the "tradition".

                            The rest? They all have input, but Cowher had more say from 2000-2006 unless Dan Rooney "nudged" them in a direction.

                            Colbert has more say now with Tomlin here, than he ever had while he was with Cowher.
                            I think Tomlin has had more say than what most give him credit for. It was well known that Tomlin was in a love fest with Timmons. Tomlin had a lot of say in the Timmons pick and that was his first draft so what makes you think he doesn't have as much say? If he had that persuasion in a 1st round pick, in his first ever draft as a head coach, I'd say he has A LOT of say... wouldn't you?
                            Tomlin: Let's unleash hell and "mop the floor" with the competition.

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                            • Captain Lemming
                              Legend
                              • Jun 2008
                              • 16041

                              #15
                              Originally posted by steelz09
                              I think Tomlin has had more say than what most give him credit for. It was well known that Tomlin was in a love fest with Timmons. Tomlin had a lot of say in the Timmons pick and that was his first draft so what makes you think he doesn't have as much say? If he had that persuasion in a 1st round pick, in his first ever draft as a head coach, I'd say he has A LOT of say... wouldn't you?
                              What Crash is saying is that the Steelers have a "tradition" of letting the new coach make the call on the very first pick of his first draft (this explains why word is that Timmons was Tomlins guy). Thereafter, there is a more traditional collaboration (thus it is harder to peg a player as favorite of any individual).

                              BC having predated Colbert and already entrenched had more power that Colbert. The situation was reversed with Colbert having the upper hand and the newer Tomlin.
                              Frankly it makes perfect sense, but I dont know that it can be substantiated.
                              Last edited by Captain Lemming; 09-10-2013, 05:09 PM.
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                              In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:

                              TCFCLTC-
                              The Coach Formerly Considered Less Than Cowher

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