As Tough as it is to admit...

[NorthCoast]

The Cleveland Browns offense outplayed the Steelers offense today.

How low can this team possibly go?

[thor75]

norv turner has always had a solid offense.

[Flasteel]

The Cleveland Browns offense outplayed the Steelers offense today.

How low can this team possibly go?

Every offense in the league outplayed us aside from the Blaine Gabbert-led Jaguars. We are nearly as low as we could possibly go.

[steelz09]

Every offense in the league outplayed us aside from the Blaine Gabbert-led Jaguars. We are nearly as low as we could possibly go.

I said the same thing after the game. Until the offense proves otherwise, we are in a battle with the jaguars for the worse offense in the league. At least the jaguars have an excuse, the Steelers have none.

[Flasteel]

I said the same thing after the game. Until the offense proves otherwise, we are in a battle with the jaguars for the worse offense in the league. At least the jaguars have an excuse, the Steelers have none.

I'd say the worst offensive line in the league is a pretty good excuse.

[skyhawk]

Add in some WRs who cannot make plays on the ball and make some catches.

[steelz09]

I'd say the worst offensive line in the league is a pretty good excuse.

Is it not a coincidence that the o-line has always been a problem with Ben as the QB? I'm not saying the o-line is great but I'm not placing the blame squarely on them. The offensive line issues are at least: 50% Ben and 50% o-line.

[steelblood]

Is it not a coincidence that the o-line has always been a problem with Ben as the QB? I'm not saying the o-line is great but I'm not placing the blame squarely on them. The offensive line issues are at least: 50% Ben and 50% o-line.

i am not one of those fans who thinks Ben can do no wrong. However, your formula is waaaaaaaaay off. That was perhaps the worst game a Steeler o line has played in the 32 years that I have watched them. That was not a top caliber d line they played against either. Ben cannot be expected to have even a decent day when they run and pass block that poorly.

also, I am liking my mock more after watching Gilbert and Adams crap the bed again. I may need to add more OL.

[steelz09]

i am not one of those fans who thinks Ben can do no wrong. However, your formula is waaaaaaaaay off. That was perhaps the worst game a Steeler o line has played in the 32 years that I have watched them. That was not a top caliber d line they played against either. Ben cannot be expected to have even a decent day when they run and pass block that poorly.

Ben took 2 sacks (probably more) that should have never happened but since he holds onto the ball for an eternity, they turned into sacks. In the one instance, Paulson was standing wide open 10-15 yards in the middle of the field.. there wasn't a defender within 10 yards of him. If Ben would have thrown the ball, it would have resulted in a first down. But nope... he didn't go thru his progressions and was staring downfield which wasn't open and held onto the ball resulting in another sack.

[Steelhere10]

Ben took 2 sacks (probably more) that should have never happened but since he holds onto the ball for an eternity, they turned into sacks. In the one instance, Paulson was standing wide open 10-15 yards in the middle of the field.. there wasn't a defender within 10 yards of him. If Ben would have thrown the ball, it would have resulted in a first down. But nope... he didn't go thru his progressions and was staring downfield which wasn't open and held onto the ball resulting in another sack.

I agree but your math may be off a little.
Ben 45
Ol 55

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

Is it not a coincidence that the o-line has always been a problem with Ben as the QB? I'm not saying the o-line is great but I'm not placing the blame squarely on them. The offensive line issues are at least: 50% Ben and 50% o-line.

So the Oline that opened up 32 yards on 15 rushes and no rshing first downs...is half on Ben?

[Discipline of Steel]

i am not one of those fans who thinks Ben can do no wrong. However, your formula is waaaaaaaaay off. That was perhaps the worst game a Steeler o line has played in the 32 years that I have watched them. That was not a top caliber d line they played against either. Ben cannot be expected to have even a decent day when they run and pass block that poorly.

also, I am liking my mock more after watching Gilbert and Adams crap the bed again. I may need to add more OL.

Yeah, like 6 more.

[steelz09]

So the Oline that opened up 32 yards on 15 rushes and no rshing first downs...is half on Ben?

Yes and No. Our running game was pathetic and I don't understand why Felix didn't see the field. He didn't know the playbook?!?!? That's humorous and I'm not letting our coaching staff off that easy. He's a RB for gods sake, not a QB.

Also, maybe if they respected our passing attack in the slightest, that might back the defense off the line of scrimmage a bit. I would expect a "Top 5 QB Franchise QB" to be able to get ONE FIRST DOWN in 30 minutes (or half the entire game)... The entire offense played poorly and Ben certainly doesn't get a free pass. He looked terrible and very unsure on where he wanted to throw the ball. He was simply not seeing receivers that were open.

[NorthCoast]

Yes and No. Our running game was pathetic and I don't understand why Felix didn't see the field. He didn't know the playbook?!?!? That's humorous and I'm not letting our coaching staff off that easy. He's a RB for gods sake, not a QB.

Also, maybe if they respected our passing attack in the slightest, that might back the defense off the line of scrimmage a bit. I would expect a "Top 5 QB Franchise QB" to be able to get ONE FIRST DOWN in 30 minutes (or half the entire game)... The entire offense played poorly and Ben certainly doesn't get a free pass. He looked terrible and very unsure on where he wanted to throw the ball. He was simply not seeing receivers that were open.

I happen to believe Ben's biggest weakness is pre-snap read of the defense. If he has to wait until the ball is snap then go through progressions, the modern NFL defense will more than likely break you. There simply is not enough to time wait for an open man. Gotta know where single coverage is before the snap.

[ChineseCrash]

Oh good grief. Did you guys even pay attention?

WE DON'T USE OUR RECEIVERS. Ben completed 63% of his passes (His career average btw) for 5.8 YPA.

Do you know how sad that is? How many passes were to the backs? WR screens?

He doesn't go through progressions anymore. Haley won't allow it. If the primary read is covered dump it to the back.

Playing games with Ben is the mantra on offense.

Why? You'd have to ask the owner.