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  • steelerkeylargo
    Hall of Famer
    • Mar 2009
    • 2507

    Jarvis vs. Jason

    While I think Worilds gets the week 1 start. I would play Jarvis. While I think he still has alot to learn and is prone to mistakes I think he has more chance to impact the game with big plays. Will he get burned and blow some assignments to give up some first downs yes. But I believe he has a greater potential to wreck havoc. Having said that Worilds is the safe pick but I am not sure the correct one.
    Last edited by steelerkeylargo; 08-21-2013, 04:03 PM.






  • sedatedsteelerfan
    Backup
    • Aug 2013
    • 199

    #2
    I guarantee you that whoever starts in the 3rd preseason game WILL be the starter in the regular season opener. The 3rd preseason game is basically the one game that teams play their main starters for most of the game, even more then the 4th preseason game. So, if Jones is out there to begin against KC, he will be the starter against the Titans.

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    • SteelerOfDeVille
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      • May 2008
      • 9069

      #3
      if it were me, i'd play Jarvis. he'll take his lumps, but, the team would be better by midseason than playing Worilds... and the defensive backfield is good enough to recover (in most cases) from his mistakes...
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      • flippy
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        • Dec 2008
        • 17088

        #4
        I'd start JJ because he's a better fit on the right side. And he's got a nose for the ball and will be a turnover creating machine. Worilds looks better suited to play LOLB. I'd rotate in Worilds and Robinson a lot to keep a fresh pass rush going.
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        • SteelerOfDeVille
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          • May 2008
          • 9069

          #5
          my biggest problem with JJ at this point is he seems to not have very many pass rush moves... it's all speed. but, if he gets pushed past the pocket, it's done... he doesn't quit -- he just doesn't recover.
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          • 7 UP
            Starter
            • Nov 2011
            • 878

            #6
            I was all for starting Jones before I watched him play. After watching him play I dont think hes quite ready yet. I would start Worilds. I do think Jones has shown flashes of a great player.

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            • Shoe
              Hall of Famer
              • May 2008
              • 4044

              #7
              Originally posted by SteelerOfDeVille
              my biggest problem with JJ at this point is he seems to not have very many pass rush moves... it's all speed. but, if he gets pushed past the pocket, it's done... he doesn't quit -- he just doesn't recover.
              "It's all speed"... for a guy who runs in the 4.9 range, that's not good.

              Seriously, I've seen RBs get to the edge on him more than once this season. And with that in mind, I watched a UGA replay from last year, where a runner got around the edge on him. The guy is slow, even though he does flash a lot and make "speed" plays a lot. It's hard to explain.
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              • Steelerphile
                Pro Bowler
                • Dec 2008
                • 1198

                #8
                JJ is disruptive. He has shown that in the little bit that he has played. That is a knack certain players have and not many have it. So I would like to see Worilds get his chance to start but absolutely, JJ is going to get his minutes. He showed better recognition from Game one in the preseason to Game two. I think he is a quick study.

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                • SidSmythe
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                  • Sep 2008
                  • 4708

                  #9
                  Jones needs to be the starter ... Worilds has never been effective from the LEFT side. Plus he's a huge liability in pass coverage. JONES in NOT at all indecisive and is very active....he is only going to get better and Worilds is better suited backing up WOODLEY
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                  • Captain Lemming
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                    • Jun 2008
                    • 16041

                    #10
                    Originally posted by SidSmythe
                    Jones needs to be the starter ... Worilds has never been effective from the LEFT side. Plus he's a huge liability in pass coverage. JONES in NOT at all indecisive and is very active....he is only going to get better and Worilds is better suited backing up WOODLEY
                    Woodley IS the starting left side LB. Worilds is competing with JJ for the right side LB job.
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                    • pittpete
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                      • Aug 2008
                      • 6825

                      #11
                      Jones should get the start, let JW backup both spots.
                      I'm sure JW will be injured at some point in the next few weeks anyways
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                      • Dupree
                        Rookie
                        • Apr 2013
                        • 36

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Shoe
                        "It's all speed"... for a guy who runs in the 4.9 range, that's not good.

                        Seriously, I've seen RBs get to the edge on him more than once this season. And with that in mind, I watched a UGA replay from last year, where a runner got around the edge on him. The guy is slow, even though he does flash a lot and make "speed" plays a lot. It's hard to explain.

                        Eh... Id argue against that.


                        He pulled his hammy running the first 40 about half way through. Only thing was accurate was his 10 yard split (1.66) Which is identical to Aldon Smith who ran a 4.71 40


                        Also, Butler thinks that Jarvis, actually runs about a 4.7 or so.


                        He can play slow at times, but he is nowhere near slow (also see the florida game where he chased the WR down and stripped the ball to stop a game winning touchdown)

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                        • hawaiiansteel
                          Legend
                          • May 2008
                          • 35649

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Dupree
                          Eh... Id argue against that.

                          He pulled his hammy running the first 40 about half way through. Only thing was accurate was his 10 yard split (1.66) Which is identical to Aldon Smith who ran a 4.71 40

                          Also, Butler thinks that Jarvis, actually runs about a 4.7 or so.

                          He can play slow at times, but he is nowhere near slow (also see the florida game where he chased the WR down and stripped the ball to stop a game winning touchdown)

                          I agree with you.

                          Jarvis Jones may not be track fast but he's football fast, and I'll take that every time over being a star at the Underwear Olympics.

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                          • Shawn
                            Legend
                            • Mar 2008
                            • 15131

                            #14
                            Based on what I have seen, I agree with you. And, I'm not a fan of starting rookies in most cases. But Jones has the IT factor, and he changes games. The good outweighs the bad with starting him.
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                            • hawaiiansteel
                              Legend
                              • May 2008
                              • 35649

                              #15
                              Steelers depth chart: Jarvis Jones and Jason Worilds are co-starters

                              By Christopher Carter on Sep 10 2013

                              After Sunday, Jones has taken another step toward cracking the starting lineup.

                              Jarvis Jones' play this weekend continued to make his case to be a starter on the Steelers' defense. That has gone noticed by the Pittsburgh staff and earned him a co-starting role that will interchange with fourth year player Jason Worilds. Although it does not put him on the field as much as his counterpart, LaMarr Woodley, it does mean he's progressing very well early in his rookie season.

                              Although the Steelers depth chart may list Worilds as the starter, the Steelers are definitely using the two in a rotation in order to give the team the best chance of winning while developing the rookie first round draft pick.

                              Against the Titans, Worilds was on the field for more defensive plays from scrimmage between the two, but fans all noticed Jones' contributions to the team before anything that Worilds was able to provide. Worilds was involved in 46 plays against the Titans, while Jones was involved for 30.

                              Woodley's snap count was at 60 on Sunday, confirming his pre-game assertion that he will not be a part time linebacker. Woodley also produced the team's only sack on Jake Locker, and contributed fairly to the pressure provided that forced many early throws.

                              Jones was used in different exotic blitz packages that featured stunts and blitzes towards the interior gaps on passing downs. As progress continues to be made for the rookie, all appearances suggest the Steelers are giving him every opportunity to lockup a starting position. Meanwhile, Worilds continues to be fresh legs for the defense to aid the efforts to prevent running backs from rushing outside the tackles.

                              The next step in this position battle will be to keep an eye out for any news on practice reps this week between Worilds and Jones. Then the snap count on next Monday, when the team plays in Cincinnati, should be more telling of whether Pittsburgh intends on maintaining a rotation that favors Worilds or if Jones will continue to see an increase in playing time.

                              [URL]http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2013/9/10/4716612/Steelers-depth-chart-jarvis-jones-outside-linebacker-week-2[/URL]

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