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  • steelz09
    Administrator
    • Jan 2008
    • 4675

    #16
    Originally posted by Captain Lemming
    You mean guys like Brady who relies on timing more than ANYONE and has a WHOLE new set of receivers but has an outstanding oline?
    Different needs.

    Are we alone?
    Eli against us threw all of five passes, completed TWO one was deep. They did not put him at great risk.
    Keep in mind that one or more of Ben's sacks or dump-offs might have had a deep route too.
    Brady is in a different league as Ben. I'm sorry but he is. Brady has lost A LOT and he's still tearing teams up.
    Tomlin: Let's unleash hell and "mop the floor" with the competition.

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    • 7 UP
      Starter
      • Nov 2011
      • 878

      #17
      Dude theres a difference between optimism and excuses. Your making excuses. We look AWFUL. I dont care what we are running our O Line looks just as bad as ever. Even if we are running a manilla offense. If we cant even effectively block for that what makes you think we will be able to block our full offense.

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      • NorthCoast
        Legend
        • Sep 2008
        • 26639

        #18
        How do you expect to complete 20yd+ patterns when the D is on the QB in 1.1 seconds?

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        • Steelhere10
          Hall of Famer
          • May 2008
          • 3849

          #19
          Originally posted by NorthCoast
          How do you expect to complete 20yd+ patterns when the D is on the QB in 1.1 seconds?
          By mixing up the plays instead of the predictable mess that Haley is calling. I'm not a DC but I could defend the run run dink donk screen offense.
          [url=http://img525.imageshack.us/i/steelers2010.jpg/]http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/2...eelers2010.jpg[/url]

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          • Captain Lemming
            Legend
            • Jun 2008
            • 16063

            #20
            Landry Jones passes 5 times on an 8 yard drive including a 45 yard strike to Wheaton. Why?
            Does that mean ANYTHING as far as how we plan to call plays?
            Does Tomlin trust LJ more than Ben who he "handcuffed"?

            Or does the evaluation focus change when you have LJ and Wheaton getting precious game reps and Moye fighting for a job.
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            In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:

            TCFCLTC-
            The Coach Formerly Considered Less Than Cowher

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            • NorthCoast
              Legend
              • Sep 2008
              • 26639

              #21
              Originally posted by Steelhere10
              By mixing up the plays instead of the predictable mess that Haley is calling. I'm not a DC but I could defend the run run dink donk screen offense.
              Doesnt matter what plays are called if the OL can't hold off the D. That D was licking their chops on every play and the OL could do nothing about it. Sometimes the better players are on the other team....

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              • steelz09
                Administrator
                • Jan 2008
                • 4675

                #22
                Originally posted by Captain Lemming
                Landry Jones passes 5 times on an 8 yard drive including a 45 yard strike to Wheaton. Why?
                Does that mean ANYTHING as far as how we plan to call plays?
                Does Tomlin trust LJ more than Ben who he "handcuffed"?

                Or does the evaluation focus change when you have LJ and Wheaton getting precious game reps and Moye fighting for a job.
                I think it's obvious that Haley was running 4 straight times to test Bell and Bell failed the test. I don't think thats going to be an indication of the playcalling in the regular reason. At least, I hope not. I still question doing that even in preseason because it puts Ben in a bad position.
                Tomlin: Let's unleash hell and "mop the floor" with the competition.

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                • Steelhere10
                  Hall of Famer
                  • May 2008
                  • 3849

                  #23
                  I agree to a certain degree, but don't make the opposing defense easy at least keep then guessing and that will stop some pressure.
                  [url=http://img525.imageshack.us/i/steelers2010.jpg/]http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/2...eelers2010.jpg[/url]

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                  • Captain Lemming
                    Legend
                    • Jun 2008
                    • 16063

                    #24
                    Originally posted by 7 UP
                    Dude theres a difference between optimism and excuses. Your making excuses. We look AWFUL. I dont care what we are running our O Line looks just as bad as ever. Even if we are running a manilla offense. If we cant even effectively block for that what makes you think we will be able to block our full offense.
                    Excuses? I am not defending our PLAY.
                    Please take note of what I have said.
                    Originally posted by ME
                    Gradkowski WILL be our starter if Ben gets hurt throwing slow developing passes just to make an impression in a meaningless game.
                    Originally posted by ME
                    The dumbest move we made was letting Max go. But we might think about that fact before calling for more deep passing in a meaningless preseason game.
                    Originally posted by ME
                    However the mental mistakes are indeed troubling.
                    I am defending the PLAY-CALLING. .....BECAUSE the tackles are playing horrible.

                    Worry all you want about the lack of blocking for Ben....I AGREE WITH YOU.

                    Just dont do that while complaining that we are not throwing deep, as others are doing.

                    We are not calling plays strategically. We are evaluating and doing so in a way that puts Ben at the least risk.
                    Last edited by Captain Lemming; 08-19-2013, 10:53 PM.
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                    In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:

                    TCFCLTC-
                    The Coach Formerly Considered Less Than Cowher

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                    • Captain QB
                      Backup
                      • May 2013
                      • 180

                      #25
                      Originally posted by steelz09
                      Brady is in a different league as Ben. I'm sorry but he is. Brady has lost A LOT and he's still tearing teams up.
                      Because the Patriots have never handcuffed Brady or asked him to wait until the fourth quarter to bail the team out. Meanwhile, Ben is asked to play game manager and not throw the ball more than 10 yards until the Steelers. Of course when they do let him loose, it's usually too late and he's easy to blame for fans like yourself.

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                      • steelz09
                        Administrator
                        • Jan 2008
                        • 4675

                        #26
                        Originally posted by Captain QB
                        Because the Patriots have never handcuffed Brady or asked him to wait until the fourth quarter to bail the team out. Meanwhile, Ben is asked to play game manager and not throw the ball more than 10 yards until the Steelers. Of course when they do let him loose, it's usually too late and he's easy to blame for fans like yourself.
                        Excuses....I don't think the 1st team playcalling tonight meant much. At least, I hope not. I give credit where credit is do. Sometimes Ben deserves the credit and sometimes he deserves the blame. There are other fans that can't put any blame on certain players or coaches. I'm not one of them.
                        Tomlin: Let's unleash hell and "mop the floor" with the competition.

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                        • Captain QB
                          Backup
                          • May 2013
                          • 180

                          #27
                          Originally posted by steelz09
                          Excuses....I don't think the 1st team playcalling tonight meant much. At least, I hope not. I give credit where credit is do. Sometimes Ben deserves the credit and sometimes he deserves the blame. There are other fans that can't put any blame on certain players or coaches. I'm not one of them.
                          And there are some fans that only look at stat sheets or just blame the most visible player. The simple truth of the matter is the Patriots use their best player the entire game, while the Steelers wait until the fourth quarter to use their best player in hopes he can bail them out. One team values points, the other values time of possession.

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                          • steelz09
                            Administrator
                            • Jan 2008
                            • 4675

                            #28
                            Originally posted by Captain QB
                            And there are some fans that only look at stat sheets or just blame the most visible player. The simple truth of the matter is the Patriots use their best player the entire game, while the Steelers wait until the fourth quarter to use their best player in hopes he can bail them out. One team values points, the other values time of possession.
                            Come on.... Do you really think this team doesn't value points? Does Tomlin & Haley game plan with the mindset of having the least points possible but the highest time of possession? Do you really think that?
                            Tomlin: Let's unleash hell and "mop the floor" with the competition.

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                            • Captain QB
                              Backup
                              • May 2013
                              • 180

                              #29
                              Originally posted by steelz09
                              Come on.... Do you really think this team doesn't value points? Does Tomlin & Haley game plan with the mindset of having the least points possible but the highest time of possession? Do you really think that?
                              I think they believe as long as they merely hold onto the ball, they can grind out low scoring wins.

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                              • Captain Lemming
                                Legend
                                • Jun 2008
                                • 16063

                                #30
                                Originally posted by Captain QB
                                The simple truth of the matter is the Patriots use their best player the entire game, while the Steelers wait until the fourth quarter to use their best player in hopes he can bail them out. One team values points, the other values time of possession.
                                Simple truth is that when the Pats DID NOT gear their entire offense around Brady......they won 3 Superbowls.
                                Since Brady has been a top fantasy pick? ZERO.
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                                In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:

                                TCFCLTC-
                                The Coach Formerly Considered Less Than Cowher

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