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  • flippy
    Legend
    • Dec 2008
    • 17088

    Another Day At Training Camp

    Gotta say, it was much more entertaining with the guys working out in full pads and hitting. Here's some of the tidbits I can remember from yesterday.

    1. Shark is going to be good. Really good. He was everywhere. Jamming WRs at the LOS. Making plays on passes downfield. And he's just flat out explosive. He's got an extra gear. And he's physical. He lined up tight on the slot several times and made it very difficult for the Steelers WRs to get off the LOS. He's better in man coverage than most of our CBs.

    2. Wheaton was running with the second team this week and his speed and routes stood out even more. He not only looks like a ROY candidate, but he might be our best WR in the long run. He was in the slot a lot and he's really physical for his size. And he's good at fighting to an open zone to get separation. The more I watched him, the more I kept thinking he looks like a lightning fast Hines Ward. And once again everyone was coaching up Wheaton after every play he made. Haley, Ben, Mann. Wheaton seems to be getting more attention after the plays than any other player.

    3. It looks like our top 4 WRs are locked in stone - AB, Manny, Cotch, and Wheat. I was trying to gauge who could be our #5, but really am not sure. Dunn and Gilreath were the 2 catching punts with AB and Manny. Maybe that gives Gilreath the edge for the #5 slot even thought he's the one guy smaller than Dunn. JB wasn't catching punts and I didn't notice him working on ST much. Not sure what that means for his chances? Of the guys competing for the #5 spot, he seems to have the best size, speed, athleticism. Moye looked slow and somewhat sloppy/awkward in his routes. But the guy that really stands out even though he might be the longest shot is JD Woods. If I'm picking a guy purely as a WR, I'm going with Woods as my #5. But the #5 guy probably has to contribute on ST.

    4. We're gonna be in really good shape long term with Golden and Shark. Golden's another guy that really stood out and was just everywhere the ball was when he was on the field.

    5. I was watching from behind the goal post and the Steelers offense was coming toward me. There was a handoff to Bell and he had no room to run whatsoever. But somehow he just barreled through the LOS and came out on the other side running with speed like he was untouched. THere was no room for a tiny guy to get through the nonexistent hole let alone this big back. But somehow he finessed his big body through. This kid might be Eddie George with Bettis' feet.

    6. Bruce G must have been a magician as a kid. His handoffs and fakes are really hard to tell apart.

    7. Landry has a really weak arm and was really inaccurate in 7 on 7.

    8. Our OLine looks like it's coming together nicely now that these guys were banging into one another. At the same time, I'm concerned that maybe our DLine/LBs just aren't able to generate much of a pass rush.

    9. Our offense is going to be fine without Miller. Seems like every other play is designed for Paulson or Johnson. And both of those guys look really good. Paulson might even be a little quicker off the LOS than Heath.

    10. If you ever have the chance to be a Steeler and want to sneak by the crowds and without being noticed after practice, here's a couple pointers. a. Don't be Troy (I still hear the piercing shriek/screams a day later). b. Take off your jersey before walking up the hill (guys like Woodley and Bell walked by fans without being recognized). c. Be a prima donna and avoid the crowds and go in another direction like Ben, AB, most of the WRs and the coaches. d. Be one of the last guys on the field like Ryan Clark and wait for the crowds to die down.

    11. I wonder why the majority of players seem irritated by the fans and seem to want to avoid eye contact with the line of kids at camp? I get that they're probably tired, have to deal with the public every day, and signing autographs is annoying. But at the end of the day, these player's jobs are entertaining the public. And the Steelers are losing when kids walk away from training camp disappointed. I don't have any kids, but the number of kids that seemed unhappy yesterday was hard to not notice. Aside from the guys like JPW who could be cut any day and seems to love the fans, the well known guys that enjoy the fans are really few and far between. I did notice Ryan Clark, Tomlin, and Haley going out of their way to be nice. Haley surprised me. Isn't he supposed to be a jerk. He seems like one of the most mellow coaches on the field and nice guys off the field. Heck, I even noticed him smiling a lot today during practice and talking to lots of folks.

    12. Both our punters are mediocre. And we seemed to devote a lot of time to practicing punting after the last game's block. Moorman seems to get slightly better hangtime. Neither kicks very far. And Moorman seemed to tire faster after several punts. I think Moorman has the inside track because Tomlin was talking to him more and joking around a lot while almost never even making eye contact with Butler.

    13. I finally saw Hawthorne practice. Meh. Nothing special. Although, maybe he's recovering.

    14. Even the Steelers QBs have figured out to always throw to the guy being covered by Gay. Gay is the one played that was getting on my nerves even though it was just practice.
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  • Steelhere10
    Hall of Famer
    • May 2008
    • 3849

    #2
    Nice read thanks.
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    • williar
      Pro Bowler
      • Dec 2008
      • 1170

      #3
      Thanks! Love the information.

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      • 7 UP
        Starter
        • Nov 2011
        • 878

        #4
        Thanks for the info. Great read. Shame like you said that some players dont want to take the time to interact with the kids at camp. I understand it must be tiresome to the players after awhile. But interaction with a Ben or Troy could be a lifetime memory for a kid.

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        • Ghost
          Legend
          • May 2008
          • 6338

          #5
          I don't think Butler was a bad as people say he was last year. When you really look at the numbers, there's not that much difference between the #1 guy and the #32 guy. His gross avg was 43.6. He was within 7 yards of the #1 guy. His net was 39.2 and that was just under 5 yards from the top. People act as if punters are routinely booming 65 yarders and the Steelers have a guy hitting 30 yarders. It's just no true.
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          • hawaiiansteel
            Legend
            • May 2008
            • 35649

            #6
            Originally posted by flippy
            3. It looks like our top 4 WRs are locked in stone - AB, Manny, Cotch, and Wheat. I was trying to gauge who could be our #5, but really am not sure. Dunn and Gilreath were the 2 catching punts with AB and Manny. Maybe that gives Gilreath the edge for the #5 slot even thought he's the one guy smaller than Dunn. JB wasn't catching punts and I didn't notice him working on ST much. Not sure what that means for his chances? Of the guys competing for the #5 spot, he seems to have the best size, speed, athleticism. Moye looked slow and somewhat sloppy/awkward in his routes. But the guy that really stands out even though he might be the longest shot is JD Woods. If I'm picking a guy purely as a WR, I'm going with Woods as my #5. But the #5 guy probably has to contribute on ST.
            I think Justin Brown makes it as our #5 WR...

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            • RuthlessBurgher
              Legend
              • May 2008
              • 33208

              #7
              Originally posted by hawaiiansteel
              I think Justin Brown makes it as our #5 WR...
              Me too. He impressed me most as a receiver out of the wideouts who played in second half scrub time, plus he can contribute to ST's as a returner.
              Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

              Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

              We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

              We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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              • steeler_fan_in_t.o.
                Legend
                • May 2008
                • 10281

                #8
                But at the end of the day, these player's jobs are entertaining the public.
                Sorry Flippy, these guys are football players and not movie stars. As great as it is to meet a player who loves interacting with fans - especially kids - that is simply a bonus. I will take the player on my team who performs in the clutch and bypasses the fans over the sweetheart of a guy with no talent, no hope, and no prospect of ever delivering.

                That's just the unfortunate reality.
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                • RuthlessBurgher
                  Legend
                  • May 2008
                  • 33208

                  #9
                  Originally posted by steeler_fan_in_t.o.
                  Sorry Flippy, these guys are football players and not movie stars. As great as it is to meet a player who loves interacting with fans - especially kids - that is simply a bonus. I will take the player on my team who performs in the clutch and bypasses the fans over the sweetheart of a guy with no talent, no hope, and no prospect of ever delivering.

                  That's just the unfortunate reality.
                  In other words, the James Harrisons of the world will dominante the Tim Tebows of the world every day of the week (and twice on Sundays).
                  Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

                  Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

                  We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

                  We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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                  • sedatedsteelerfan
                    Backup
                    • Aug 2013
                    • 199

                    #10
                    Heard we signed another WR to our roster to replace Burress....Tyler Shaw. And of course he was signed off the Arizona Cardinals roster..( Figures ).

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                    • Jooser
                      Legend
                      • Jul 2008
                      • 5102

                      #11
                      Thanks for the write-up Flip. Pretty cool you were there I have to say.
                      ​2019 MNFE CHAMPION

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                      • steeler_fan_in_t.o.
                        Legend
                        • May 2008
                        • 10281

                        #12
                        Originally posted by RuthlessBurgher
                        In other words, the James Harrisons of the world will dominante the Tim Tebows of the world every day of the week (and twice on Sundays).
                        Or, another way, JPW was all over the fans, Ben avoided the fans...Who do you want under center week 1?

                        The thing with athletes is that htey are being watched 24/7. They don't get the benefit of the doubt for that one moment of indiscretion and many are wary of that. Imagine never being able to have a bad moment. That is why I never read much into the "I met him one time and he didn't sign my autograph" accounts. You never know if it is because the guy is a jerk or a good guy having a bad moment.
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                        • steelsnis
                          Starter
                          • Dec 2008
                          • 980

                          #13
                          Originally posted by steeler_fan_in_t.o.
                          Or, another way, JPW was all over the fans, Ben avoided the fans...Who do you want under center week 1?

                          The thing with athletes is that htey are being watched 24/7. They don't get the benefit of the doubt for that one moment of indiscretion and many are wary of that. Imagine never being able to have a bad moment. That is why I never read much into the "I met him one time and he didn't sign my autograph" accounts. You never know if it is because the guy is a jerk or a good guy having a bad moment.
                          Or if he already signed autographs for awhile and had to leave. Some people will still walk away disappointed and say "so and so is a d-bag, he didn't sign my autograph."

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                          • winwithd
                            Starter
                            • Nov 2009
                            • 895

                            #14
                            Regarding autographs, I am taking a niece and nephew tomorrow. I have been to a 3 pm practice where players sign after the practice, but I have never been to an evening practice. Will players be signing before practice sometime or will they do it after the practice like they do in the 3 oclock practices?

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                            • DukieBoy
                              Hall of Famer
                              • May 2008
                              • 3488

                              #15
                              Yes. I am on that for Justin Brown too. He has size to go with his excellent hands, good route running, and enough speed.





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