Pittsburgh Steelers: Landry Jones Future Franchise Quarterback

[Shawn]

I agree Philly, but the guy hasn't ever played an NFL game. This guy was a very dangerous college passer, and did so in big games. So, until he proves to be a mental panzy, I'll give him credit of the doubt.

[Ghost]

And John Parker Wilson holds every significant passing record in Bama school history (playing in the toughest conference in the country) and is third string on his 3rd team in 4 years. Being a big time QB at a big time school in college really means absolutely nothing. Only time will tell if he's a player or a footnote.

[Shawn]

And John Parker Wilson holds every significant passing record in Bama school history (playing in the toughest conference in the country) and is third string on his 3rd team in 4 years. Being a big time QB at a big time school in college really means absolutely nothing. Only time will tell if he's a player or a footnote.

While I agree with your point, your use of a guy who threw many interceptions in college, has sub par arm strength, and less than optimal size for the position doesn't strengthen your point. The only knock on Jones is his pocket presence. He has the rest. Apples and oranges.

[Ghost]

While I agree with your point, your use of a guy who threw many interceptions in college, has sub par arm strength, and less than optimal size for the position doesn't strengthen your point. The only knock on Jones is his pocket presence. He has the rest. Apples and oranges.

Umm...He's 6 pounds and 1 inch less than Landry (per Steelers.com). If he's not optimal size, then neither is Landry. Lets not act like a 6'2" 215 lb guy (Wilson) is a tiny midget for the position. Wilson's senior year he led Bama over Clemson, Georgia, LSU (all in the top 15) and inter-state rival Auburn. He was a big time college QB at a big time program playing the best competition in the country. Not apples to oranges at all. I'm not touting Wilson as being anything but he and Landry are most certainly comparable.

If Landry is the next Montana then why did 114 players get drafted ahead of him? Every team in the first three rounds didn't think he was worth a pick. Let's hold off on ordering his Canton bust just yet.

[Shawn]

Umm...He's 6 pounds and 1 inch less than Landry (per Steelers.com). If he's not optimal size, then neither is Landry. Lets not act like a 6'2" 215 lb guy (Wilson) is a tiny midget for the position. Wilson's senior year he led Bama over Clemson, Georgia, LSU (all in the top 15) and inter-state rival Auburn. He was a big time college QB at a big time program playing the best competition in the country. Not apples to oranges at all. I'm not touting Wilson as being anything but he and Landry are most certainly comparable.

If Landry is the next Montana then why did 114 players get drafted ahead of him? Every team in the first three rounds didn't think he was worth a pick. Let's hold off on ordering his Canton bust just yet.

You focused on one point and ignored the rest. 6 foot 2 vs 6 foot 4...noodle arm vs strong arm...not to mention his lack of significant production

Wilson
Yardage-6,796
TD/INT-41/25
57.1%
123.2

Jones
Yardage-16,646
TD/Int-123/52
63.6%
141.5

(Not to mention the lack of talent around Jones and the crazy talent around Wilson)




Yeah, that looks like apples and oranges to me. As for your strawman talk about Montana, just nonsense...you obviously didn't read what I wrote.

[Ghost]

Jones played for a pass happy O. He should have had big passing numbers. They were constantly lined up in the shotgun for him to throw. And they finished in the top 16 the last 3 years (once in the top 10). To point to a lack of talent is absurd.

Discussions about Jones prior to the draft:

Disappointing junior campaign that saw him complete 63.2 percent of his passes with a 29:15 touchdown-to-interception ratio. Most importantly, he was erratic in the Sooners' biggest games and showed a propensity for turning the ball over in critical moments. Jones' stock plummeted in the minds of evaluators based on his questionable decisions.

Jones' decision-making and poise under pressure remain in question.

Average movement skills

routinely blunders under pressure; his penchant for turning the ball over in these moments is certainly a concern.

Ball placement is too erratic at each level and he tends to make highly questionable decisions every game. He stares down targets and his accuracy dips when forced to go away from his first read, showing poor footwork when rattled as he struggles to reset and step into his throws.

Landry Jones of Oklahoma has been the epitome of average during pre-draft workouts. He's tough to get a firm grasp on when trying to rank him, because one minute he looks like a first round pick and the next he almost looks undraftable.

Jones' inconsistency coupled with a limited ceiling will likely lead to fourth or fifth round selection.

[Shawn]

Jones was more accurate, and more productive with less weapons. That Oklahoma O was devoid of talent. Teams knew Jones was passing and couldn't stop him. Anyway you want to slice that, the two didn't have even close to comparable careers.

[Eddie Spaghetti]

hold the phone shawn.

oklahoma was "devoid of talent"?

no way

[Shawn]

hold the phone shawn.

oklahoma was "devoid of talent"?

no way

Due to injuries along the offense...yes those Oklahoma teams were devoid of any real talent especially at WR.

[Ghost]

His top 2 receivers are both in NFL camps as we speak.

[feltdizz]

Due to injuries along the offense...yes those Oklahoma teams were devoid of any real talent especially at WR.

nope... those teams had talent. Jones definitely had MAJOR meltdowns in critical situations. I've never seen a guy cough the ball up that much under pressure. He was like Tommy Maddox after the injury... unreal TO's.

Hopefully he pans out a few years from now and is trade bait or our transition QB. I liked the pick because we finally got a legit QB.. but Ghost is spot on about his play at OK. The kid is suspect under pressure and never took a snap from under center.

[Shawn]

nope... those teams had talent. Jones definitely had MAJOR meltdowns in critical situations. I've never seen a guy cough the ball up that much under pressure. He was like Tommy Maddox after the injury... unreal TO's.

Hopefully he pans out a few years from now and is trade bait or our transition QB. I liked the pick because we finally got a legit QB.. but Ghost is spot on about his play at OK. The kid is suspect under pressure and never took a snap from under center.

Please name this talent. Broyles? I agree about the turnovers. But, you also must understand that after the 2011 season, he was considered a first round talent. And there were quite a few scouts who believed him to be the best QB in this class as well. Per NFL.com


Arm talent: Jones is the most gifted quarterback prospect in the 2013 class. He shows unbelievable arm strength and touch, and can make every throw in the book with tremendous zip and velocity. Whether it's the deep out from the opposite hash or the fly route down the boundary, Jones routinely delivers rope-like throws with tremendous pace. This allows him to fit the ball into tight windows between multiple defenders, completing the high-risk throws that elite quarterbacks must make with the game on the line. In addition, Jones shows good accuracy and ball placement when utilizing proper footwork and mechanics in the pocket. There are few physical deficiencies in his game; scouts love Jones' sheer talent and natural ability.


Jones is underrated, in my mind, due to his remarkable physical tools. He possesses all of the attributes that you look for at the position, and creative offensive coordinators will be intrigued by his ability to make all of the throws. While his decision-making and poise under pressure remain concerns based on his play throughout 2012, I believe he has made significant strides over the past year. Insightful evaluators will keep him in the mix as a possible franchise quarterback. Without a unanimous selection as the top quarterback prospect in the 2013 class, it wouldn't surprise me to see Jones enjoy a late rise up the charts following all-star games and pre-draft workouts.

[Shawn]

Here is a link talking about Jones struggles linked with the OL injuries.

[URL]http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/college-football-rapidreports/20050942/oklahoma-qb-landry-jones-struggles-may-be-linked-to-offensive-line[/URL]

[Ghost]

K. Stills left OK ranked in the top 5 in receptions, yards, touchdowns in school history. Drafted by the Saints. Justin Brown had 73 receptions in 2012 is 6'3"/209 with what was considered excellent athleticism and exceptional body control. Drafted by our Steelers. His third favorite receiver was Jalen Saunders who was a 1^st team All-Western Conf selection (before he transferred to OKL) and on the Biletnikoff Award watch list. He will be a primary target this season and has a shot to get drafted as well barring injury. So his top three WR's were 2 guys drafted by NFL teams and a third who was 1st team all conference. Good lord... what kind of weapons does a guy need for you to consider the team not devoid of WR talent? That is an absurd, nonsensical statement made only to continue arguing as it's certainly not grounded in logic.

And if he couldn't' handle the pass rush in college starting in the shotgun or pistol most of the time; why should we believe he will be able to handle the bigger, much faster, much more talented rush of the Pro's?

[feltdizz]

Sorry Shawn but I heard the same thing about the USC quarterback. Plenty of QBs look great, come back with lofty expections and look like trash.

I hope Landry pans out in a few years but I prefer to wait on this one when it comes to the franchise label.