Pouncey twins support Hernandez

[flippy]

This is so ridiculous. A bunch of foreigners debating on U.S. law and how much of our rights we should have. Then more people that obviously have no idea what the stats are on anything. The FACT is that the collector with 500 guns haven't killed ANYONE!!! Name me ONE guy that has shot up a school that was an avid collector. Almost ALL the gun crimes are black on black thugs with stolen pistols NOT guys like me who have many guns.

But obviously many of you guys are content to take away millions of people's rights for nothing.

BTW how many of you have been shot at by a guy that had road rage? Anyone? How many of you have had the collector pull a gun on you? But let's throw away the founding documents because "YOU" are worried about something that has NEVER happened to you. Your "feelings" shouldn't be public policy. Damn people are getting ****ing stupid.

If it's only "black thugs" killing each other, then "black thugs" should be the only ones that feel the need to get guns to protect themselves. And the rest of us shouldn't need protection.

And if guns the only guns used to kill are stolen guns, then maybe if people didn't buy guns in the first place, the bad guys wouldn't have anyone to steal their guns from.

Maybe you'll never shoot someone. But maybe a criminal or a mentally ill relative or a child will end up with one of your guns?

The founding fathers weren't protecting your rights when they wrote the Constitution. They were the rich guys figuring out how to protect their own vested interests in this country. Now violence, guns, the military has become one of the biggest parts of our economy and we need that's what we're trying to protect in modern society. We have an economy built on fear. Fear for our safety. Fear for our health and well being. Fear that our website might go down during the Christmas shopping season. Fear of China. Fear of terrorism. Fear of immigration. Fear of falling behind in global education. etc.

Businesses exploit those fears. It's why the rich keep getting richer. It's why the middle class is disappearing. It's why we lose real freedoms every day. We give up real freedom to think we're in control with the right to bear arms. Collectively we are a culture of idiocy. Watching America from the outside must be like going to the zoo watching a bunch of animals in a cage. Or maybe we appear more like the guests on a episode of Jerry Springer.

The things we collectively care about are silly. And it's hard to see how silly we are when we're stuck on the inside. Sometimes it's good to get an outside perspective. It can be a fresh reminder that are other silly hobbies like watching the Steelers have as much value as the other things we worry about to pass the time. Because we're all just here for the entertainment until the curtain closes. Might as well enjoy the best entertainment we can while our show's still playing.

[SanAntonioSteelerFan]

This is so ridiculous. A bunch of foreigners debating on U.S. law and how much of our rights we should have. Then more people that obviously have no idea what the stats are on anything. The FACT is that the collector with 500 guns haven't killed ANYONE!!! Name me ONE guy that has shot up a school that was an avid collector. Almost ALL the gun crimes are black on black thugs with stolen pistols NOT guys like me who have many guns.

But obviously many of you guys are content to take away millions of people's rights for nothing.

BTW how many of you have been shot at by a guy that had road rage? Anyone? How many of you have had the collector pull a gun on you? But let's throw away the founding documents because "YOU" are worried about something that has NEVER happened to you. Your "feelings" shouldn't be public policy. Damn people are getting ****ing stupid.

Well, after reading your post, I do agree with your last statement

The fact of the matter is that one person's rights stop where another's begins. Someone's right to not get shot by some idiot who no one in their right mind would think should be carrying a gun, but is ... that right is just as valid as any other - right?

And I haven't been shot by such an idiot, nor has my family. And neither was the mom I read about in today's newspaper, but her four year old girl taking a nap yesterday afternoon was, in the head, and now dead. She was black ... I'm not ... after reading your post I have to ask, does that mean I shouldn't care?

PS I is not a foreigner.

[BradshawsHairdresser]

The founding fathers weren't protecting your rights when they wrote the Constitution. They were the rich guys figuring out how to protect their own vested interests in this country.

Pretty jaded view you've got there. As I read their writings and study American history, the evidence I see shows that the founders genuinely cared about the future of this republic, and that they wanted to see it remain free. They understood that for this to happen, they needed to preserve certain rights.

[Vader]

Well, after reading your post, I do agree with your last statement

The fact of the matter is that one person's rights stop where another's begins. Someone's right to not get shot by some idiot who no one in their right mind would think should be carrying a gun, but is ... that right is just as valid as any other - right?

And I haven't been shot by such an idiot, nor has my family. And neither was the mom I read about in today's newspaper, but her four year old girl taking a nap yesterday afternoon was, in the head, and now dead. She was black ... I'm not ... after reading your post I have to ask, does that mean I shouldn't care?

PS I is not a foreigner.

My right to own a gun is in the bill of "rights". IF I kill someone then my right stops and I go to jail. It really isn't that hard to understand. I have a right not to get hit by a car or get stabbed. But that doesn't mean that you don't have a right to own a car or own a knife.

There are thousands more people killed by drunk driving. Why not allow the cops just to stop random people without due process and give sobriety tests? Why not let them search without warrants since drugs kill thousands more people than guns?

Gun laws are just to tug on heart strings but they do nothing to actually solve the problem. You can tell this because nobody answered my question about the sinister gun collector who kills people. It sounds terrible for some one to own a lot of guns but the FACTS are that those aren't the people killing anyone. But people want to take away the law abiding citizens right to protect himself while never even touching the real problem.

[Vader]

BTW the founding fathers would have all hanged for treason if they'd lost. Washington could have been King and he single handedly kept the country from falling apart in a speech after the war to a group of congress people that wanted to jettison the new country.

Many of the founding fathers had their families killed and died penniless. Look up Lewis Moore and Phillip Livingston. Most lost their farms, money and families. Obviously people need to stop watching CNN and MSNBC and open a ****ing history book every once in awhile.

[steelsnis]

This is so ridiculous. A bunch of foreigners debating on U.S. law and how much of our rights we should have. Then more people that obviously have no idea what the stats are on anything. The FACT is that the collector with 500 guns haven't killed ANYONE!!! Name me ONE guy that has shot up a school that was an avid collector. Almost ALL the gun crimes are black on black thugs with stolen pistols NOT guys like me who have many guns.

But obviously many of you guys are content to take away millions of people's rights for nothing.

BTW how many of you have been shot at by a guy that had road rage? Anyone? How many of you have had the collector pull a gun on you? But let's throw away the founding documents because "YOU" are worried about something that has NEVER happened to you. Your "feelings" shouldn't be public policy. Damn people are getting ****ing stupid.

Hmmm...The school shooting in Newtown, CT ring a bell? Adam Lanza took the guns from his mother, an avid gun collector.

And has there ever been a more blatantly racist statement than saying "Almost ALL the gun crimes are black on black thugs with stolen pistols NOT guys like me who have many guns."
Maybe it's time for the Mods to lock this up...

[papillon]

I tried to stay out of this one, but I am finally caving in.

Let's say, let's just say that the US Congress, US Senate and pass laws that make all guns illegal, regardless of caliber, rounds per magazine, hunting, target shooting or for war and then they managed to go areound to every home in America and collect every last gun. We now have zero guns in the hands of anyone including the criminals (who by definituion do follow laws or statutes). So, now no one will ever get shot again, right?

Think about it.

Pappy

[Chadman]

My right to own a gun is in the bill of "rights". IF I kill someone then my right stops and I go to jail. It really isn't that hard to understand. I have a right not to get hit by a car or get stabbed. But that doesn't mean that you don't have a right to own a car or own a knife.

There are thousands more people killed by drunk driving. Why not allow the cops just to stop random people without due process and give sobriety tests? Why not let them search without warrants since drugs kill thousands more people than guns?

Gun laws are just to tug on heart strings but they do nothing to actually solve the problem. You can tell this because nobody answered my question about the sinister gun collector who kills people. It sounds terrible for some one to own a lot of guns but the FACTS are that those aren't the people killing anyone. But people want to take away the law abiding citizens right to protect himself while never even touching the real problem.

The difference we can focus on between gun law amendments and drink driving/ drug laws is that both drink driving and drug laws do get amended, while all proposed modifications to gun laws get shot down by people claiming their rights are being infringed.

if the argument is that gun control laws will not remove all guns from the street and are therefore useless amendments, then unless you can get a drug law that 100% removes drugs from the street, there's no point to drug laws either.

[flippy]

The difference we can focus on between gun law amendments and drink driving/ drug laws is that both drink driving and drug laws do get amended, while all proposed modifications to gun laws get shot down by people claiming their rights are being infringed.

if the argument is that gun control laws will not remove all guns from the street and are therefore useless amendments, then unless you can get a drug law that 100% removes drugs from the street, there's no point to drug laws either.

If we legalized all drugs, we may not need guns.

[Vader]

Hmmm...The school shooting in Newtown, CT ring a bell? Adam Lanza took the guns from his mother, an avid gun collector.

And has there ever been a more blatantly racist statement than saying "Almost ALL the gun crimes are black on black thugs with stolen pistols NOT guys like me who have many guns."
Maybe it's time for the Mods to lock this up...

She had 5 guns and wasn't a collector. Plus she didn't shot anybody. Ring a bell??? Her guns were stolen by her son who was mentally challenged. Nice try but next time try using facts.

[SanAntonioSteelerFan]

She had 5 guns and wasn't a collector. Plus she didn't shot anybody. Ring a bell??? Her guns were stolen by her son who was mentally challenged. Nice try but next time try using facts.

Hey Vader - Would I have misinterpreted your posts if I concluded you thought we had no standing to infringe on the Newtown, CT shooter's rights to own whatever weapons he wants to? Because the Constitution did not explicitly limit the right to bear arms, therefore anyone can?

[steelsnis]

She had 5 guns and wasn't a collector. Plus she didn't shot anybody. Ring a bell??? Her guns were stolen by her son who was mentally challenged. Nice try but next time try using facts.

Wasn't a collector? Not sure what constitutes a collection but...

[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/16/nyregion/friends-of-gunmans-mother-his-first-victim-recall-her-as-generous.html?_r=0[/url]

"Gun enthusiast", "loved guns..." "Gun collection", "fascination with guns"

All terms used to describe Nancy Lanza. Now I'm by no means saying gun collector = crazy rampage shooter. I'm just showing that your words don't exactly stand up.

I have zero issue at all with gun ownership. None. But to think there isn't a place for responsible firearm regulations is asinine. We successfully regulate vehicles, alcohol, cigarettes, etc with age limits, safety restrictions, speed limits etc. Why can't we come up with a way to intelligently do that with firearms?

And what does Pouncey have to do with all of this?

[AzStillers1989]

God and Guns .... [url]http://youtu.be/Ql49eLRRJ_E[/url]

[DukieBoy]

Was this posted previously? Probably, but it is interesting.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pOiOhxujsE[/URL]

That, and others segments that followed are of interest related to where this thread have gone.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYbY45rHj8w[/URL]
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVuspKSjfgA[/URL]

The difference we can focus on between gun law amendments and drink driving/ drug laws is that both drink driving and drug laws do get amended, while all proposed modifications to gun laws get shot down by people claiming their rights are being infringed.

if the argument is that gun control laws will not remove all guns from the street and are therefore useless amendments, then unless you can get a drug law that 100% removes drugs from the street, there's no point to drug laws either.

[Chadman]

Was this posted previously? Probably, but it is interesting.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pOiOhxujsE[/URL]

That, and others segments that followed are of interest related to where this thread have gone.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYbY45rHj8w[/URL]
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVuspKSjfgA[/URL]

Yeah, I posted that earlier....and strangely we see almost the same conversation playing out..