Mike Wallace prefers Dolphins' culture over Steelers'

[flippy]

although there are exceptions such as Hines Ward and Jerry Rice, I do agree with your basic premise that the best WRs are basically selfish individuals who demand the football and are not natural leaders.

I think the bad apples get all the press and we stereotype the rest. Guys like Larry F and Megatron are some of the highest paid players in the game. I'm sure their team views them as leaders or they wouldn't have given them those outrageous contracts.

I'm also of the mindset that WRs are a dime a dozen for the most part. And you need a good QB to get you the ball.

There's probably more good character WRs than bad apples across the board. All NFLers have to work hard mentally and physically. The sport is demanding. Some of the prima donnas are sometimes the ones that are so naturally gifted that they don't have to work hard to be successful.

I never heard Reggie Wayne complain about a rookie QB. He worked hard to help make him better. He was one of the few vets on the Colts offense. He could have easily pouted and been a discontent because he's at the end of his career and has essentially no chance at winning a ring without Peyton, but he was nothing but supportive of Luck.

Andre Johnson and Roddy White are other guys that come readily to mind that are good character guys that you could consider leaders because they work hard and play hard for the betterment of their team.

Even going back in history, guys like Swanny and Stallworth knew their blocking downfield could spring big plays. Steelers WRs have always had a culture of blocking. And they did what they had to do to make their teams better.

Even some guys with off the field issues like Plax and Brandon Marshall are dedicated to team success. Heck, I was even reading today where Plax was saying he's gonna do everything possible to help make AB one of the best WRs in the game.

The good guys don't get attention. The guys with off field issues get wrongly lumped in with the prima donnas. And all the sports writers cover are the ego maniacs.

I think there's a lot of WRs that are great leaders who work hard and set an example.

[SanAntonioSteelerFan]

I think the bad apples get all the press and we stereotype the rest. Guys like Larry F and Megatron are some of the highest paid players in the game. I'm sure their team views them as leaders or they wouldn't have given them those outrageous contracts.

I'm also of the mindset that WRs are a dime a dozen for the most part. And you need a good QB to get you the ball.

There's probably more good character WRs than bad apples across the board. All NFLers have to work hard mentally and physically. The sport is demanding. Some of the prima donnas are sometimes the ones that are so naturally gifted that they don't have to work hard to be successful.

I never heard Reggie Wayne complain about a rookie QB. He worked hard to help make him better. He was one of the few vets on the Colts offense. He could have easily pouted and been a discontent because he's at the end of his career and has essentially no chance at winning a ring without Peyton, but he was nothing but supportive of Luck.

Andre Johnson and Roddy White are other guys that come readily to mind that are good character guys that you could consider leaders because they work hard and play hard for the betterment of their team.

Even going back in history, guys like Swanny and Stallworth knew their blocking downfield could spring big plays. Steelers WRs have always had a culture of blocking. And they did what they had to do to make their teams better.

Even some guys with off the field issues like Plax and Brandon Marshall are dedicated to team success. Heck, I was even reading today where Plax was saying he's gonna do everything possible to help make AB one of the best WRs in the game.

The good guys don't get attention. The guys with off field issues get wrongly lumped in with the prima donnas. And all the sports writers cover are the ego maniacs.

I think there's a lot of WRs that are great leaders who work hard and set an example.

Flippy is making perfect sense here, IMO.

(Better take his temperature!).

[flippy]

Flippy is making perfect sense here, IMO.

(Better take his temperature!).

Just took my meds

[feltdizz]

you said they couldn't be leaders.

they can. I'm done.

OK....lol. That's not what I said but cool. Be done.

[feltdizz]

I think the bad apples get all the press and we stereotype the rest. Guys like Larry F and Megatron are some of the highest paid players in the game. I'm sure their team views them as leaders or they wouldn't have given them those outrageous contracts.

I'm also of the mindset that WRs are a dime a dozen for the most part. And you need a good QB to get you the ball.

There's probably more good character WRs than bad apples across the board. All NFLers have to work hard mentally and physically. The sport is demanding. Some of the prima donnas are sometimes the ones that are so naturally gifted that they don't have to work hard to be successful.

I never heard Reggie Wayne complain about a rookie QB. He worked hard to help make him better. He was one of the few vets on the Colts offense. He could have easily pouted and been a discontent because he's at the end of his career and has essentially no chance at winning a ring without Peyton, but he was nothing but supportive of Luck.

Andre Johnson and Roddy White are other guys that come readily to mind that are good character guys that you could consider leaders because they work hard and play hard for the betterment of their team.

Even going back in history, guys like Swanny and Stallworth knew their blocking downfield could spring big plays. Steelers WRs have always had a culture of blocking. And they did what they had to do to make their teams better.

Even some guys with off the field issues like Plax and Brandon Marshall are dedicated to team success. Heck, I was even reading today where Plax was saying he's gonna do everything possible to help make AB one of the best WRs in the game.

The good guys don't get attention. The guys with off field issues get wrongly lumped in with the prima donnas. And all the sports writers cover are the ego maniacs.

I think there's a lot of WRs that are great leaders who work hard and set an example.

I agree with most of what you are saying regarding the bad apples spoiling the bunch but I disagree on "a lot" of WR's being great leaders.

[hawaiiansteel]

that's because the women in Miami are so fine...

[phillyesq]

Ahh... the obvious choice. Hines Ward. The undersized, overlooked, slow, hard working, scrappy WR. I know I will get slack for this but here I go...

Hines Ward was definitely a leader... but he also held out for more money, called Ben out multiple times, cried to the media anytime they mentioned a big WR.. but he blocked better than anyone in the biz and did all the dirty work that a WR with a ton of physical gifts wouldnt be required to do.

So... I'll give you Ward but thats one WR and the reason you cant name 5 or even 3 is because 95% ofthe NFL WR's in the league arent undersized WR who had to scrap to make the team.

Not trying to knock Hines but I need a few more examples of true #1 WR's. I think Hines is a HOFer but I think he is a Hofer because of his intangables.. blocking, toughness, grit, durability but he is way down the list when speaking of #1's.

List the top 15 WR's. Nope.. dont see it. Steve Smith is the only one that comes to mind but he is the same size as Hines My point, short man complex... lol. I just dont think WR's are built to be leaders. The best WRs are selfish and demand the football.

Look at Larry Fitzgerald. He's arguable one of the top 2-3 WRs from a talent perspective, and the Cardinals are absoulte garbage at the QB position. He could have sulked, demanded a trade or been otherwise behaved in Holmes-esque fashion. Instead, he makes the best of a bad situation and trys to help others on his team.

[costanza2k1]

Wallace also prefers Miami money over Steelers money...

[hawaiiansteel]

Just took my meds

[DukieBoy]

Just took my meds

Where can I get some of that. Even my internal logic does not make sense to me.

[Sugar]

As much as I love the Steelers, I would too.

[feltdizz]

Look at Larry Fitzgerald. He's arguable one of the top 2-3 WRs from a talent perspective, and the Cardinals are absoulte garbage at the QB position. He could have sulked, demanded a trade or been otherwise behaved in Holmes-esque fashion. Instead, he makes the best of a bad situation and trys to help others on his team.

Larry Fitz signed a $120 mill contract in 2011... he is the primary reason for their bad situation.

[fezziwig]

I will watch the Steeler games all the way back to 2004 and obviously up to the current time. Yes, our Steelers were more excited when playing, more enthusiastic and showed the college/young attitude. No Kidding !!! They were younger, not very removed from college ! Of course the Dolphin players are going to be more hyped up or show more desire, they I'm guessing are young and never won anything. Can anyone say that what excited them back in their college days or prior to having children gives them the same thrill or response as today ? People/players mature and the difference between the Steelers and many other teams or players are, the Steelers are not acting like they've been there before, they have been there before nd more than once.

[feltdizz]

I will watch the Steeler games all the way back to 2004 and obviously up to the current time. Yes, our Steelers were more excited when playing, more enthusiastic and showed the college/young attitude. No Kidding !!! They were younger, not very removed from college ! Of course the Dolphin players are going to be more hyped up or show more desire, they I'm guessing are young and never won anything. Can anyone say that what excited them back in their college days or prior to having children gives them the same thrill or response as today ? People/players mature and the difference between the Steelers and many other teams or players are, the Steelers are not acting like they've been there before, they have been there before nd more than once.

I agree (I think).... The Dolphins are hungry, young and have high expectations.. throw in the sun, fun, women and 70 mill and sure, it's a great place to be.

I wonder how Wallace will feel when they are 5-9 and headed up to Buffalo in December.

[Slapstick]

I agree (I think).... The Dolphins are hungry, young and have high expectations.. throw in the sun, fun, women and 70 mill and sure, it's a great place to be.

I wonder how Wallace will feel when they are 5-9 and headed up to Buffalo in December.

The point is that they don't have high expectations...they just have to do better than last year...