Mike Wallace prefers Dolphins' culture over Steelers'
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WR aren't team leaders... they were moping about not getting their touches in a blowout? Wow.. maybe it's because they believe if they touched the ball they wouldn't get blown out!I'd disagree with that. He may not be their biggest problem, but he isn't part of the solution. I remember a game with the Jets getting blown out, and Stonio and Plax sitting together on the sidelines and moping about not getting their catches.
Holmes is a turd with absolutely no leadership abilities. You would think that a former SB MVP with a huge salary would be a team leader, but what has he done to help bring cohesion to that mess?
WR as a leader? LOL... without a great QB there is no such thing as a WR who leads. It's not possible.Steelers 27
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Holmes is a cancer. Not as bad as TO. But team players (and especially captains) don't do this:WR aren't team leaders... they were moping about not getting their touches in a blowout? Wow.. maybe it's because they believe if they touched the ball they wouldn't get blown out!
WR as a leader? LOL... without a great QB there is no such thing as a WR who leads. It's not possible.
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That's NOT how "you be great"Last edited by Eich; 05-28-2013, 04:00 PM.Comment
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Hines Ward was a leader. You would see him hold others accountable, not bring others down with his wallowing in self pity.WR aren't team leaders... they were moping about not getting their touches in a blowout? Wow.. maybe it's because they believe if they touched the ball they wouldn't get blown out!
WR as a leader? LOL... without a great QB there is no such thing as a WR who leads. It's not possible.Comment
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Maurkice Pouncey laughed at Wallace saying new team hungrier than old:
"Him & my brother like to talk a little junk. We’ll see on Dec. 8"
28 May 2013
[URL]http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/eye-on-football/22314723/mike-wallace-on-dolphins-its-a-lot-different-than-where-i-came-from[/URL]Comment
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Ahh... the obvious choice. Hines Ward. The undersized, overlooked, slow, hard working, scrappy WR. I know I will get slack for this but here I go...
Hines Ward was definitely a leader... but he also held out for more money, called Ben out multiple times, cried to the media anytime they mentioned a big WR.. but he blocked better than anyone in the biz and did all the dirty work that a WR with a ton of physical gifts wouldnt be required to do.
So... I'll give you Ward but thats one WR and the reason you cant name 5 or even 3 is because 95% ofthe NFL WR's in the league arent undersized WR who had to scrap to make the team.
Not trying to knock Hines but I need a few more examples of true #1 WR's. I think Hines is a HOFer but I think he is a Hofer because of his intangables.. blocking, toughness, grit, durability but he is way down the list when speaking of #1's.
List the top 15 WR's. Nope.. dont see it. Steve Smith is the only one that comes to mind but he is the same size as Hines My point, short man complex... lol. I just dont think WR's are built to be leaders. The best WRs are selfish and demand the football.Steelers 27
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no offense, but you're trying to move the goalposts
you said no WR could be a leader, hines was.
I imagine jerry rice and michael irvin fir that description as well. It may be more rare to lead from that position, but it can, and does happen.Last edited by Eddie Spaghetti; 05-28-2013, 09:23 PM.Comment
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remember all the 'fans' that wanted the steelers to pay him 8, 9, 10, 11+ million a year?
remember how they said wallace was a great teammate?
how he wasnt going to be a distraction during the season?
how he said and did everything the right way?
how about how they disputed that wallace never said he wanted 11+ per year, but eventually took even more?steelers = 3 ring circus with tomlin being the head clownComment
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uhh. hey Mike, last i checked Miami Dolphins are in the National Football League. Seems having a "college atmosphere" may not be the best way to go about winning in the pros. I suspect it takes a lot more hard work and discipline to win consistently in the NFL than it does in college where the talent is much more unevenly distributed. As the No. 1 WR last season, Mike didn't fair all that well. It will be interesting to find out if that was merely a contract aberration or a trend due to defenses focusing on taking him out of the game.Comment
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Not really, I said... "WR arent leaders" and "A WR cant be a leader without a good QB "
Do you know how many WRs have played in the NFL? 5K,10K? Hines was once in a lifetime, Rice was the best ever and Im not sure about Irvin.
2 or 3 doesnt change my opinion. I never said "In the history of the NFL.."Steelers 27
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Not really, I said... "WR arent leaders" and "A WR cant be a leader without a good QB "
Do you know how many WRs have played in the NFL? 5K,10K? Hines was once in a lifetime, Rice was the best ever and Im not sure about Irvin.
2 or 3 doesnt change my opinion. I never said "In the history of the NFL.."
although there are exceptions such as Hines Ward and Jerry Rice, I do agree with your basic premise that the best WRs are basically selfish individuals who demand the football and are not natural leaders.Comment
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