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  • Oviedo
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    • May 2008
    • 23824

    #46
    Originally posted by Captain QB
    You do know he is regarded as one of the better deep-ball throwers, right?
    By who. Doing it alot doesn't make you good. Without thinking too hard I can name: Brees, Manning and Manning, Brady, Rogers, Stafford, Romo, Flacco, Cutler and Ryan as better.

    That is a lot ahead of him.
    "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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    • feltdizz
      Legend
      • May 2008
      • 27531

      #47
      Originally posted by Captain QB
      That's pretty funny coming from you



      To which he did. All the team needed to do was respect the franchise QB and give him input.... you know, like every other team with a franchise QB does. I think your viewpoint stems from this outdated notion that no one player is on a pedestal. That the team is more important than any one player, and that all players must buy in to the franchise's philosophies without question. After all, that's how the Steelers won their first two super bowls. What too many Steelers fans seem to forget is that after failing to reach the super bowl for a few years after Lombardi #2, Noll realized the team had to evolve, had to change philosophies. Bradshaw was an established QB, and the Steel Curtain, while not bad, certainly wasn't as good as it was during the first two super bowl runs. They won their 3rd and 4th super bowls largely on Bradshaw's arm. Was anyone bitching about how that wasn't the "Steeler way" back then?
      Probably...
      Steelers 27
      Rats 16

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      • feltdizz
        Legend
        • May 2008
        • 27531

        #48
        Originally posted by Oviedo
        By who. Doing it alot doesn't make you good. Without thinking too hard I can name: Brees, Manning and Manning, Brady, Rogers, Stafford, Romo, Flacco, Cutler and Ryan as better.

        That is a lot ahead of him.
        That is a horrible list... Romo? LOL.. Cutler? LOL.. Stafford?

        You named good QB's but you damn sure didn't name good deep ball throwers.
        Steelers 27
        Rats 16

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        • Slapstick
          Rookie
          • May 2008
          • 0

          #49
          Originally posted by Captain QB
          If you think a QB should just shut up and accept something he's not comfortable with because the owner says so, then the game has really passed you by.
          What Ben did this offseason? He could have easily done it last offseason...

          Embrace the change (because it happened, regardless of his franchise QB status), work with the coaches and offer input...instead of being butt hurt about Arians being canned...

          Perhaps it took a year to realize that change can be a good thing...though I wish he would have figured it out before last season...
          Actually, my post was NOT about you...but, if the shoe fits, feel free to lace that &!+€# up and wear it.

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          • Oviedo
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            • May 2008
            • 23824

            #50
            Originally posted by Slapstick
            What Ben did this offseason? He could have easily done it last offseason...

            Embrace the change (because it happened, regardless of his franchise QB status), work with the coaches and offer input...instead of being butt hurt about Arians being canned...

            Perhaps it took a year to realize that change can be a good thing...though I wish he would have figured it out before last season...
            This is true. Ben did not embrace change last year and even then he was on his way to best statistical season. Imagine if he had really bought in from Day 1.

            Instead he got "Faneca disease" and pouted.
            "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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            • Slapstick
              Rookie
              • May 2008
              • 0

              #51
              Originally posted by Oviedo
              This is true. Ben did not embrace change last year and even then he was on his way to best statistical season. Imagine if he had really bought in from Day 1.

              Instead he got "Faneca disease" and pouted.
              This is all I'm saying...
              Actually, my post was NOT about you...but, if the shoe fits, feel free to lace that &!+€# up and wear it.

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              • Captain QB
                Backup
                • May 2013
                • 180

                #52
                Originally posted by Slapstick
                What Ben did this offseason? He could have easily done it last offseason...

                Embrace the change (because it happened, regardless of his franchise QB status), work with the coaches and offer input...instead of being butt hurt about Arians being canned...

                Perhaps it took a year to realize that change can be a good thing...though I wish he would have figured it out before last season...
                Did you miss the part about Ben being given input in the offense? If that happened, yeah, I'd be a bit happier about the offense too. You're proving my point - you think the front office and ownership can do no wrong.

                Embrace the fact Ben is the franchise QB, because ramming a new playbook down his throat will not work. I wish Art would have figured that out before last season..... instead of being butthurt it's not the good old days anymore.

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                • flippy
                  Legend
                  • Dec 2008
                  • 17088

                  #53
                  Originally posted by Oviedo
                  By who. Doing it alot doesn't make you good. Without thinking too hard I can name: Brees, Manning and Manning, Brady, Rogers, Stafford, Romo, Flacco, Cutler and Ryan as better.

                  That is a lot ahead of him.
                  I'm not sure I agree. How are you defining deep pass? Ben has the power to accurately throw the ball 40 yards downfield off the wrong foot and after contact. None of these guys can do that.

                  Now if you mean throwing bombs, Brady and Flacco are the 2 that come to mind as being super accurate. But you also have to consider who the guys are on the receiving end. Ben's long throws have predominantly been to a guy that has to have the ball hit him in the breadbasket 90% of the time. Some of these other guys have WRs that can make plays.

                  I'll give you a great example of a guy with an alleged great deep pass - Daunte Culpepper. When he had Moss to throw to, he look like a world beater. He seemed to be able to hit Moss perfectly in stride on every pass. Once Moss was gone, he looked 10 times worse than Kordell.

                  Also Ben probably has the worst OLine blocking for him. That makes a big difference. And no running threat. It's not easy being Ben, but he somehow makes it work. Any other QB in Pittsburgh would have failed miserably over the Ben years.
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                  • Sugar
                    Hall of Famer
                    • Oct 2008
                    • 3700

                    #54
                    Originally posted by Oviedo
                    This is true. Ben did not embrace change last year and even then he was on his way to best statistical season. Imagine if he had really bought in from Day 1.

                    Instead he got "Faneca disease" and pouted.
                    I'm curious as to what you mean by "bought in?" Ben was a good soldier and did everything that was asked of him. We don't know the degree whether he liked it or not. He never said, "this sucks." Nor did he say, "this is great." He simply referred to the fact that it was different that that they were all doing their best to learn it. Was there something else that was expected?

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                    • Captain QB
                      Backup
                      • May 2013
                      • 180

                      #55
                      Originally posted by Sugar
                      I'm curious as to what you mean by "bought in?" Ben was a good soldier and did everything that was asked of him. We don't know the degree whether he liked it or not. He never said, "this sucks." Nor did he say, "this is great." He simply referred to the fact that it was different that that they were all doing their best to learn it. Was there something else that was expected?
                      It was expected that Ben shut up and hand the ball off for the majority of the game. Then come the fourth quarter, it was expected Ben bail the team out every time that didn't work, which was pretty often last year.

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                      • NJ-STEELER
                        Legend
                        • May 2008
                        • 12563

                        #56
                        yeah, three of those 4 bombs flacco's receivers had to come back for and fight for the ballin the AFCC really showed how Joe is a great deep ball thrower.

                        and the one TD in the super bowl was even more pathethic. receiver had to stop turn and go to the ground to catch the ball. and erven then the defender was no where near him.

                        how about getting some receivers like that

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                        • NJ-STEELER
                          Legend
                          • May 2008
                          • 12563

                          #57
                          Originally posted by feltdizz
                          That is a horrible list... Romo? LOL.. Cutler? LOL.. Stafford?

                          You named good QB's but you damn sure didn't name good deep ball throwers.
                          lol is right

                          stafford's deep ball is "let me chuck it up and see if calvin can come down with it"

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                          • Sugar
                            Hall of Famer
                            • Oct 2008
                            • 3700

                            #58
                            Originally posted by Captain QB
                            It was expected that Ben shut up and hand the ball off for the majority of the game. Then come the fourth quarter, it was expected Ben bail the team out every time that didn't work, which was pretty often last year.
                            It's funny, because Ben actually did "shut up" quite a bit and was accused of being "passive aggressive." There's just no winning sometimes...

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                            • Captain QB
                              Backup
                              • May 2013
                              • 180

                              #59
                              Originally posted by Sugar
                              It's funny, because Ben actually did "shut up" quite a bit and was accused of being "passive aggressive." There's just no winning sometimes...
                              This is what Steelers fans say in the offseason:

                              "Ben should only be a game manager! The Steelers need to establish their running game first and foremost! Ben doesn't need to throw the ball more than 20 times! Let the offense revolve around the RB!"

                              Then this is what Steelers fans say after a close loss:

                              "WHY DIDN'T BEN DO MORE!?"

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                              • BURGH86STEEL
                                Legend
                                • May 2008
                                • 6921

                                #60
                                It doesn't matter if Ben likes the new offense or not. Ben like the BA offense but didn't play with the consistency necessary make the offense a top 5 scoring unit. What matters most is how well will Ben play in the revamped offense. Ben has the ability to help make the offense a top 5 scoring unit. Will Ben play with the consistency necessary to help make the offense a top 5 scoring unit?

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