Carnell Lake Needs To Be Our Next DC

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  • flippy
    Legend
    • Dec 2008
    • 17088

    Carnell Lake Needs To Be Our Next DC

    I know everyone keeps saying Butler's the next in line, but Lake is the best coach on our D and our DBs carrying the load last year without Troy and adding Allen as a starter after what he had done to date.

    Today, he was asked by Ovi (I mean a reporter) with Lebeau's system being so complex, how can you possibly work a rookie into this system?

    "I think the biggest challenge is really for me to communicate as simply as possible as I can to all of our defensive backs. That’s my job. My job is to get him ready. I think since I’ve been here, going on my third year, it hasn’t really been that much of an issue. We got Cortez ready his first year. Keenan [Lewis] was struggling and I got him ready to go and he was productive as ever."

    Carnell had more to say on the topic, but essentially he said when you break it all down, it's really just football and not that complicated and it's the coaches job to make it simple for the players to get them ready. And so far he seems to be the only one on the defensive coaching staff that can coach up his guys quickly and keep it simple.

    Why can't the rest of them?

    Freaking Carnell Lake. He can play LB, S, CB, and now he can coach too. He can literally do everything. I'd personally put him on the fast track to take over for Lebeau. And heck probably even Tomlin one day. We'd probably win the SuperBowl every year if Lake was our HC.
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  • BradshawsHairdresser
    Legend
    • Dec 2008
    • 7056

    #2
    Then let's forget about someday...make him the HC now! Hey, the GM too, while we're at it!

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    • Adam Powell
      Rookie
      • Apr 2013
      • 24

      #3
      Or we could keep dick and consistently be the no 1 D every year.

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      • flippy
        Legend
        • Dec 2008
        • 17088

        #4
        Originally posted by BradshawsHairdresser
        Then let's forget about someday...make him the HC now! Hey, the GM too, while we're at it!
        LOL - I was kidding around, but seriously is there anything Lake can't do well?
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        • Mister Pittsburgh
          Hall of Famer
          • Jul 2008
          • 3674

          #5
          With Lake producing nice results from mid round picks and low level free agents, it makes you wonder what the hell Ray Horton was doing. Also makes you wonder about young defensive lineman taken in the first and mid rounds not producing.
          @_Hellgrammite

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          • NJ-STEELER
            Legend
            • May 2008
            • 12563

            #6
            Originally posted by Mister Pittsburgh
            With Lake producing nice results from mid round picks and low level free agents, it makes you wonder what the hell Ray Horton was doing. Also makes you wonder about young defensive lineman taken in the first and mid rounds not producing.

            makes me wonder why butler needs top end talent to to get the LB corps playing at its best amd as you said lake is getting mid rouund picks and making them into good players

            i agree. lake over butler

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            • flippy
              Legend
              • Dec 2008
              • 17088

              #7
              Originally posted by NJ-STEELER
              makes me wonder why butler needs top end talent to to get the LB corps playing at its best amd as you said lake is getting mid rouund picks and making them into good players

              i agree. lake over butler
              I get the impression the DL is a genius. He's an Xs and Os guy with more experience than any DC ever. I think DL is also a great person. Very approachable and connects with these young men. I suspect Butler has been mentored into a similar mold.

              But where I think the problem lies is their ability to translate these complex concepts into something simple that these young kids coming out of college can readily understand. Heck Troy who's one of the more cerebral players in the game had a hard time understanding the complexity of the system right away.

              Everyone fits into this mold of making things complex - DL, Butler, Mitchell, etc.

              Then Carnell comes along and seem to take a different approach. And he says the system really isn't that complex. It's just football. So apparently he understands the system in this very simple way. And he says it's on him to bring these young kids up to speed quickly. He even used the example of he had to get Victorian ready in the system in 2 weeks time due to injury.

              Maybe Carnell's smarter than all these guys combined because he can see the simplicity in the system and teach the simplicity. And I do think the system is complicated. And when Carnell was asked if Shmarko will play FS or SS, he said all Pittsburgh Ss play both positions based on the situation. Heck, I didn't even realize Troy and Clark both play FS and SS at different times until I heard that.

              But somehow we're learning Carnell is breaking this stuff down in some simple way to make it easier for 1st year players to understand. And he's not even getting 1st round picks.

              Maybe it's the fact that he played so many positions. Or he knows the Steelers from playing for the Steelers. Or he had a quick stint in college and understands what college kids need to transition to be successful.

              Whatever it is, he's able to do something that no other coach seems to be able to do. Ovi's gotta have a man crush on Lake when he hears him confidently saying his first year guys will be ready to play and that's on Lake to make it happen.
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              • Big Ern McCracken
                Backup
                • Mar 2013
                • 130

                #8
                Carnell Lake is one of my all time favorite steelers, and now... a hell of a coach for them. He has done a tremendous job with the DB's, and I think he should be next in line for the DC job.

                I am excited about this Hawthorne kid, knowing that Lake is going to coach him up. Don't be surprised if this kid sees the field alot this fall.

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                • NorthCoast
                  Legend
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 26636

                  #9
                  I have been singing Carnell's praises as a coach for at least a year now. Just as in academia, some college professors are great researchers and some are great teachers. It is rare to have both in one person. Carnell is both a student of the game as well as a great teacher. His impact to the secondary was almost immediate and he has shown he can teach up just about anyone. It's one reason why i am keeping my eye on Van Dyke, the one guy that can keep up with Wallace, if he can learn the position. Steelers FO needs to be careful with poachers that might try to steal him away.
                  Last edited by NorthCoast; 04-28-2013, 08:55 AM.

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                  • Oviedo
                    Legend
                    • May 2008
                    • 23824

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Adam Powell
                    Or we could keep dick and consistently be the no 1 D every year.
                    #1 D and missing the playoffs...no thanks! Great for a bumper sticker but not for the Steelers.
                    "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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                    • Oviedo
                      Legend
                      • May 2008
                      • 23824

                      #11
                      Originally posted by flippy
                      I get the impression the DL is a genius. He's an Xs and Os guy with more experience than any DC ever. I think DL is also a great person. Very approachable and connects with these young men. I suspect Butler has been mentored into a similar mold.

                      But where I think the problem lies is their ability to translate these complex concepts into something simple that these young kids coming out of college can readily understand. Heck Troy who's one of the more cerebral players in the game had a hard time understanding the complexity of the system right away.

                      Everyone fits into this mold of making things complex - DL, Butler, Mitchell, etc.

                      Then Carnell comes along and seem to take a different approach. And he says the system really isn't that complex. It's just football. So apparently he understands the system in this very simple way. And he says it's on him to bring these young kids up to speed quickly. He even used the example of he had to get Victorian ready in the system in 2 weeks time due to injury.

                      Maybe Carnell's smarter than all these guys combined because he can see the simplicity in the system and teach the simplicity. And I do think the system is complicated. And when Carnell was asked if Shmarko will play FS or SS, he said all Pittsburgh Ss play both positions based on the situation. Heck, I didn't even realize Troy and Clark both play FS and SS at different times until I heard that.

                      But somehow we're learning Carnell is breaking this stuff down in some simple way to make it easier for 1st year players to understand. And he's not even getting 1st round picks.

                      Maybe it's the fact that he played so many positions. Or he knows the Steelers from playing for the Steelers. Or he had a quick stint in college and understands what college kids need to transition to be successful.

                      Whatever it is, he's able to do something that no other coach seems to be able to do. Ovi's gotta have a man crush on Lake when he hears him confidently saying his first year guys will be ready to play and that's on Lake to make it happen.
                      Yes I do because Lake is smart enough to see that the complexity is only fooling ourseleves. Lake is one of may all time favorite Steelers and I'd love to see him become the DC and get rid of the overly complex nonsense that keeps players off the field and let's fading players stay around too long because they "know the system."
                      "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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                      • Coolie Man
                        Backup
                        • Mar 2013
                        • 351

                        #12
                        He has to be next dc. Would hate if he ends coaching elsewhere

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                        • steel50
                          Benchwarmer
                          • Apr 2013
                          • 52

                          #13
                          I coach hs football and our staff sit down and talk football with him I think he is a great guy and would be happy to have him as a future dc

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                          • Adam Powell
                            Rookie
                            • Apr 2013
                            • 24

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Oviedo
                            #1 D and missing the playoffs...no thanks! Great for a bumper sticker but not for the Steelers.
                            The O struggles and injuries got us out of the playoffs. You can't be no 1 D and not make the playoffs unless something is really wrong with the other side of the ball.

                            Injuries to QB. No consistent RB. Most of the WRs are overrated.
                            Last edited by Adam Powell; 04-28-2013, 10:43 AM.

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                            • steel50
                              Benchwarmer
                              • Apr 2013
                              • 52

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Adam Powell
                              The O struggles and injuries got us out of the playoffs. You can't be no 1 D and not make the playoffs unless something is really wrong with the other side of the ball.

                              Injuries to QB. No consistent RB. Most of the WRs are overrated.
                              I agree with you 100 percent

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