Correct Smythe If He's Wrong About Jarvis Jones........

[BigRob]

Based on Jarvis Jones' game tape against Alabama and scouting video of Moore;

Jones has the burst that an NFL pass rusher needs while Demontre Moore gets to QBs with good angles and hand placement. Some scouts don't see Moore as being able to beat NFL caliber linemen.

The knock I have on Jones is his trouble stacking and shedding. After coming out early and beating a tackle for a strip-sack, he was targeted against Alabama as they ran successfully his direction repeatedly. I think he needs to get stronger.

I do think that the Steelers like him and if he's there, he's likely the pick.

Interesting analysis. That is one of the only times I've heard someone really differentiate them. I think Jones is going to have trouble turning the edge against NFL tackles. Moore may have the same issue as well.

[SidSmythe]

If you watch a lot of his sacks, they're in pursuit b/c of coverage. I saw 1 sack where he was manned up against a LT, he basically slows down, gets the LT to stop his feet and then bursts around him for a sack. Very clever. but I still haven't seen him just flat out beat anyone with strength, just speed. Maybe I'm missing something

[flippy]

I liked him at first, then I didn't, and then I did, and now meh?

I do like his hustle and the way he goes after the ball. Seems like a smart player. But using Ovi-logic, at his age he'll be on the verge of retirement before he learns DL's system.

[Shoe]

Timmons WOWED scouts with his timed and field speed. Jones ran a 4.92 40 at his Pro Day. Though he does seem to have field speed.

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Timmons WOWED scouts with his timed and field speed. Jones ran a 4.92 40 at his Pro Day. Though he does seem to have field speed.

One of my favorite memories was watching Timmons run past Troy (who had the angle) to make a tackle on a WR. I don't see Jarvis having that much field speed. Not even close.

What's interesting is Smythe is making the case, Jones has speed but no power. But I'm not sure he even has the speed.

I do think he's got passion for the game and a strong desire to take away the football which reminds me a little of Harrison. But that's about it. I'm back on the Jones seems risky train. He'll either be great or horrible. But nowhere in the middle.

[SidSmythe]

One of my favorite memories was watching Timmons run past Troy (who had the angle) to make a tackle on a WR. I don't see Jarvis having that much field speed. Not even close.

What's interesting is Smythe is making the case, Jones has speed but no power. But I'm not sure he even has the speed.

I do think he's got passion for the game and a strong desire to take away the football which reminds me a little of Harrison. But that's about it. I'm back on the Jones seems risky train. He'll either be great or horrible. But nowhere in the middle.

I never looked at his highlights until the other night. I was expecting to be "Wow'd" at his pass rush ability from the edge and I wasn't. If we were looking for a 4-3 OLB i'd think differently.

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I never looked at his highlights until the other night. I was expecting to be "Wow'd" at his pass rush ability from the edge and I wasn't. If we were looking for a 4-3 OLB i'd think differently.

I think he'll be gone before we pick. If he's there, I think the Steelers avoid him cause of age. If we take him, wonder if we could try to move Worilds inside?

[RuthlessBurgher]

Mike Mayock is one of the highly regarded draft guys. I will be fair to show I'm not bashing on Jones. Mayock has Patterson rated @ #30 now. He was high on Patterson and had him rated as the #1 WR & a top 15 prospect. He dropped him some because of the reports about Patterson's concerns of picking up an offense. I would tell you to bet on Mayock but I am my own person and do my own homework. I have been high on Patterson since Feb. and I won't change. I have seen enough on him on option routes & reading coverage to not worry about his football IQ. There have been elite talent coming out as of late that had the same concerns & low wonderlics and excelled in the NFL. I can't do my own interview and won't sway my judgement by reports that may be smoke. If I am wrong, it will be because of this. I said the only question was his football IQ from the beginning.

To tie Mayock in to Jones. Mayock has Jones rated as his 19th prospect. But he also has Jones as a 4-3 OLB because of the concerns listed above. May be too small and weak at the point of attack to be a 4-3 DE with limited growth potential. May be to heavy footed to place in space and set the edge against the run as a 3-4 OLB. Jones DOES show some great instincts to be around the ball and diagnose plays. If you cover him up, he could really excel. Again, his heavy feet may limit him from being inside in a 3-4 so hence the projection as a 4-3 OLB. May be a great SAM if covered up but may not have the foot speed to be a WIL. I'm still not sure he can't be a WIL because his instincts and recognition could compensate.

Just watched Mayock's final mock draft special on NFL Network, and he projected Jarvis Jones to the Steelers. One surprise is that Star Lotulelei was still on the board and went to Dallas one pick later. I've been a Jones guy all along, but in the extremely unlikely event that Star happens to be on the board, I think I have to go with the guy who has been compared somewhat favorable to Haloti Ngata.

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Just watched Mayock's final mock draft special on NFL Network, and he projected Jarvis Jones to the Steelers. One surprise is that Star Lotulelei was still on the board and went to Dallas one pick later. I've been a Jones guy all along, but in the extremely unlikely event that Star happens to be on the board, I think I have to go with the guy who has been compared somewhat favorable to Haloti Ngata.

If Star drops, that's a no brainer pick. We talk about how guys like Heath or Decastro fell to us. This would be one of the luckiest happenings in recent Steelers draft history. I cannot fathom him falling to us let alone past us.

[Sugar]

Just watched Mayock's final mock draft special on NFL Network, and he projected Jarvis Jones to the Steelers. One surprise is that Star Lotulelei was still on the board and went to Dallas one pick later. I've been a Jones guy all along, but in the extremely unlikely event that Star happens to be on the board, I think I have to go with the guy who has been compared somewhat favorable to Haloti Ngata.

I saw that as well. Star seems to be a no-brainer if he's there.

BTW- in Mayock's mock, Eifert goes to the Jets at #13. I didn't think I'd see think I'd see the mock with Eifert going six picks ahead of Star Lotulelei.