The Steelers could find value @ TE

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If the first round is "weak" then why would any team want to give up picks to move up in a "weak" draft?

Every year we have these brilliant tradedown scenarios. Expect we will be picking at #17.

Need and where the team is at. The Steelers don't have a target need in Rd 1...They have many needs. For example... A Team like the Falcons are looking to get one or two pieces to their puzzle. They want a DE & CB. Hmmm...Jarvis Jones available at #17 & the Steelers trade out. Maybe Rhodes falls to the Steelers and they want to come up and get him. I see some teams moving around early for a LT, CB, 4-3 DE, or maybe Floyd. After that, I only see a team maybe jumping back in for falling QBs. I would trade the Steelers 1st for multiple picks in the top 100 depending on the board.

[Slapstick]

Need and where the team is at. The Steelers don't have a target need in Rd 1...They have many needs. For example... A Team like the Falcons are looking to get one or two pieces to their puzzle. They want a DE & CB. Hmmm...Jarvis Jones available at #17 & the Steelers trade out. Maybe Rhodes falls to the Steelers and they want to come up and get him. I see some teams moving around early for a LT, CB, 4-3 DE, or maybe Floyd. After that, I only see a team maybe jumping back in for falling QBs. I would trade the Steelers 1st for multiple picks in the top 100 depending on the board.

Again, you have to have a partner...

If there is one? Great...

If not (more likely) they are picking...

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Again, you have to have a partner...

If there is one? Great...

If not (more likely) they are picking...

Don't see where you try & keep going with your Captain Obvious comments. Need a partner...If not they will pick. Brilliant insight. There may have been a couple in here that didn't get it. Maybe you have to post it to remind yourself. We all know it isn't a given. We are beyond that. I even go as far as saying if it doesn't happen. You are turning into Rain man in your posts. "Yeah...Def...Definately need a trade partner. Course 5 minutes to Goodell." Virtual pat on the back for you. I'm glad you get it.

[Slapstick]

Don't see where you try & keep going with your Captain Obvious comments. Need a partner...If not they will pick. Brilliant insight. There may have been a couple in here that didn't get it. Maybe you have to post it to remind yourself. We all know it isn't a given. We are beyond that. I even go as far as saying if it doesn't happen. You are turning into Rain man in your posts. "Yeah...Def...Definately need a trade partner. Course 5 minutes to Goodell." Virtual pat on the back for you. I'm glad you get it.

It is pointless to say that a draft prospect in this class isn't worth the 17th pick because of the players in another draft class. Pointless.

I'm sure you get that...

[Oviedo]

It is pointless to say that a draft prospect in this class isn't worth the 17th pick because of the players in another draft class. Pointless.

I'm sure you get that...

I never understood that thinking either. You can only draft who is in this class and Eifert is definitely Top 20.

[JUST-PLAIN-NASTY]

It is pointless to say that a draft prospect in this class isn't worth the 17th pick because of the players in another draft class. Pointless.

I'm sure you get that...

It isn't a pointless topic but if you want to keep that as your opinion you are allowed to. It is pointless to you because you don't agree with it. So to continue to argue about our difference of opinions is pointless.

If you think that the people that matter don't consider past drafts when putting a board together you must not listen & read alot regarding the draft. It is an easy tool for comparison and brought up in discussions. Your belief on lack of relevance when someone considers taking someone in the first who is less of a prospeect than a player taken in the second round of a year before means nothing to its merit. This isn't "my opinion". I'm sure you get that...

[Oviedo]

BTW--McShay's latest Mock has Eifert going in the Top 10. #6 to Cleveland

[URL]http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2013/story/_/id/9197049/2013-nfl-draft-todd-mcshay-mock-draft-update[/URL]

But heck what does he possibly know.

[phillyesq]

BTW--McShay's latest Mock has Eifert going in the Top 10. #6 to Cleveland

[URL]http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2013/story/_/id/9197049/2013-nfl-draft-todd-mcshay-mock-draft-update[/URL]

But heck what does he possibly know.

He had Mike Adams as a first round pick last year, yet you've written off the Steelers OTs. McShay is a talking head, not a profesional scout.

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I never understood that thinking either. You can only draft who is in this class and Eifert is definitely Top 20.

Of course that is true...He is a 1st round propspect in this draft because of lack there of. If Eifert is the 17th best player in this draft the pick makes sense. If Colby Fleener is in this draft he goes off the board before Eifert. Fleener was a better prospect & he went #34. More talent in that draft. So if my guy is gone, I'm looking to trade back for more value. If I miss on Eifert so what. If I can't trade back, take BPA. If it is Eifert, that is the pick.

There have been several experts that said they wouldn't want to be a GM picking outside the Top 12-15 in the 1st. There is a reason for that. When you are under the assumption the boards are made from prospects 1-256 and they fall by rounds in that order , I can understand some posters logic. The teams tier by position & round. Their evaluation process is more complex than looking at a website and numbering the prospects. I'm not an expert but I have done my research and seen what they do. My board would have Eifert & Ertz tiered as 2nd round TEs as 1 & 2. My board would also only have 19 1st round talents tiered.

[Oviedo]

He had Mike Adams as a first round pick last year, yet you've written off the Steelers OTs. McShay is a talking head, not a profesional scout.

Yes, McShay is a "talking head" and as such he has more access to information and "real scouts" than anyone on this board. I think we can both agree that his opinions are probably more informed than anyone who posts here can't we?

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Yes, McShay is a "talking head" and as such he has more access to information and "real scouts" than anyone on this board. I think we can both agree that his opinions are probably more informed than anyone who posts here can't we?

Your answer to Eifert a Top 10 talent is 3 days away. I guess you agree he is the 6th best player in this draft.

[phillyesq]

Yes, McShay is a "talking head" and as such he has more access to information and "real scouts" than anyone on this board. I think we can both agree that his opinions are probably more informed than anyone who posts here can't we?

Kiper and McShay are both inaccurate:

[URL]http://harvardsportsanalysis.wordpress.com/2012/05/25/equally-inaccurate-an-analysis-of-mel-kiper-jr-and-todd-mcshays-draft-rankings/[/URL]

You can cherry pick anybody you want to support or oppose any position. I can say that Pat Kirwan has Eifert going 30th overall, but I wouldn't be telling you that others have him in the 13-17 range.

[URL]http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/mock-draft[/URL]

Eifert is all over the board by the so called experts. Charley Casserly, a former GM, has him at 31. Certainly you would agree that Casserly is more knowledgeable than your typical message board poster.

[URL]http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/mock-drafts/charley-casserly/171001[/URL]

Matt Smith of NFL.com has Eifert at 30 and going after Ertz.

[URL]http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/mock-drafts/matt-smith/171000[/URL]

So next time you want to tell us all about what McShay has to say, please spare us the condescending tone.