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  • Sugar
    Hall of Famer
    • Oct 2008
    • 3700

    Roethlisberger leading the way at workouts

    [URL]http://www.steelers.com/news/article-1/Roethlisberger-leading-the-way-at-workouts/1b4494fc-b8cf-47cf-9fed-e167bb5c05c1[/URL]

    And so it begins...

    This is good to see!
  • flippy
    Legend
    • Dec 2008
    • 17088

    #2
    For some reason this story sounded a little manufactured. I love Ben and he's probably the toughest SOB in the history of the game. But he just doesnt seem like a natural leader. But because of the crazy offseason, the Steelers seem to be forcing him on this.

    We have a lot of solid characters in the lockerroom. But I just don't think we have guys with much charisma aside from Foote and Clark.
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    • hawaiiansteel
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      • May 2008
      • 35651

      #3
      Originally posted by flippy
      We have a lot of solid characters in the lockerroom. But I just don't think we have guys with much charisma aside from Foote and Clark.
      I agree, we don't really have any natural leaders on the offensive side of the ball now that Hines Ward is retired. guys like Ben and Pouncey are reportedly trying to step up and fill the void, hopefully they will be able to.

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      • flippy
        Legend
        • Dec 2008
        • 17088

        #4
        Originally posted by hawaiiansteel
        I agree, we don't really have any natural leaders on the offensive side of the ball now that Hines Ward is retired. guys like Ben and Pouncey are reportedly trying to step up and fill the void, hopefully they will be able to.
        I appreciate the effort, but I think these guys have as good a shot of being leaders as Heath or DeCastro. I don't think they can help it. I think it might take Brown or Sanders stepping up on O.
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        • Ghost
          Legend
          • May 2008
          • 6413

          #5
          Ben - “It’s important for us to know if we want to be the best we can be it starts now" - this is clearly Ben's way of stabbing Haley in the back and showing how he doesn't have confidence in him!
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          • Sugar
            Hall of Famer
            • Oct 2008
            • 3700

            #6
            If you don't believe that leaders can be made, you haven't read John Maxwell. Some guys have natural charisma that makes them leaders. Others find ways to lead and become greater than those with natural ability. I don't see how this seems in any way contrived or manufactured. Ben is out there with the young guys and everyone knows he doesn't have to be. He could be out playing golf or enjoying more time with his young family, but he is with his guys.

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            • phillyesq
              Legend
              • May 2008
              • 7568

              #7
              Originally posted by hawaiiansteel
              I agree, we don't really have any natural leaders on the offensive side of the ball now that Hines Ward is retired. guys like Ben and Pouncey are reportedly trying to step up and fill the void, hopefully they will be able to.
              I shudder to think of Pouncey as a leader. The two guys he had ties to were Gilbert and Rainey. Gilbert has preparation/training issues and Rainey had all sorts of issues. I just don't see Pouncey as an effective leader at all.

              I don't know how vocal he is, but Heath provides the perfect example. No asinine antics, no running his mouth - he just does his job. Ben is the one who, by virtue of his position, should step up and really lead the offense.

              Even if this is a fluff piece, it's nice to read a positive offeason article about Ben.

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              • pittpete
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                • Aug 2008
                • 6825

                #8
                Reading this forum lately is like watching a soap opera.
                It's funny how you think you know what goes on in the locker room because you watch 16 games and read a few articles.
                Some of you make me laugh.
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                • thor75
                  Pro Bowler
                  • Dec 2012
                  • 1038

                  #9
                  This is great to see, I'm glad Ben is starting this season off in the right way. I would think every team needs "lead by example" types and vocal types. I hope Ben keeps this up, this would be a great way to head into TC and preseason.
                  1. C.J. Mosley LB Alabama
                  2. Jordan Matthews WR Vanderbilt
                  3. (comp) Philip Gaines CB Rice
                  4. Arthur Lynch TE Georgia
                  5. Ross Cockrell CB Duke
                  5. (comp) Derrick Hopkins DT Virginia Tech
                  6. Josh Mauro DE Stanford
                  6. (comp) Shaquil Barrett OLB Colorado State
                  7. Quincy Enunwa WR Nebraska

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                  • RuthlessBurgher
                    Legend
                    • May 2008
                    • 33208

                    #10
                    Originally posted by thor75
                    This is great to see, I'm glad Ben is starting this season off in the right way. I would think every team needs "lead by example" types and vocal types. I hope Ben keeps this up, this would be a great way to head into TC and preseason.
                    Ben never had to be a vocal leader before, because Ward and Farrior were always there. When Hines and Potsie retired, guys like Clark and Foote stepped up as vocal leaders, while others like Troy and Heath were more "lead by example" types. It's okay for your veteran strong safety or veteran tight end to lead by example instead of being vocal leaders, but it's important for your quarterback to become a vocal leader now that he's a veteran. Glad to see him stepping up to the plate.
                    Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

                    Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

                    We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

                    We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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                    • flippy
                      Legend
                      • Dec 2008
                      • 17088

                      #11
                      Originally posted by RuthlessBurgher
                      Ben never had to be a vocal leader before, because Ward and Farrior were always there. When Hines and Potsie retired, guys like Clark and Foote stepped up as vocal leaders, while others like Troy and Heath were more "lead by example" types. It's okay for your veteran strong safety or veteran tight end to lead by example instead of being vocal leaders, but it's important for your quarterback to become a vocal leader now that he's a veteran. Glad to see him stepping up to the plate.
                      I kinda think it's hard for Ben to be a vocal leader. He can definitely inspire with his play and toughness. But what's he supposed to say to guys? Whatever won't sound authentic. Ben makes his best plays when stuff breaks down and when he's not on the same page as the coaches. So the things he's gotta say to guys are not the same way he plays. It's different for a Farrior or Ward who have to work hard and do little things better than everyone else.

                      But guys like Ben and Troy too play so far on their own level that I'm not sure they can connect with the other guys no matter how perfectly they try.

                      It's the same for almost all sports. The truly great ones don't always connect with the other players because they're set apart. And then you have the whole angle of the media promoting the star/me first players and you never really hear positive encouragement toward leadership. For example, Lebron James used to get blasted for sharing the basketball with his teammates at the end of games trying to set up the best shot and being unselfish. He's not the normal star player though.

                      Lebron's got a Sidney Crosby type thing going on where you can just see how much he loves the game he plays. I think Crosby is the exception to this rule. The kid's the perfect leader. The kid's got passion and excitement like the sport is a game. He's the best player on the ice from a pure skill perspective, but then he also hustles more than any hockey player I've ever seen. His style of play is contagious. And then you can tell everyone genuinely loves the kid. And everyone wants to play with him.

                      Maybe the Rooney's should have adopted Ben and had him live with them early in his career like Mario did for Sid.

                      There's just something missing with Ben. For some reason, he's just not one of the guys. He is the guy. But in contrast, even though Sid is the guy, he's turned himself into one of the guys. I guess all I'm trying to say is Ben needs to become a hockey fan and learn from the kid.
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                      • RuthlessBurgher
                        Legend
                        • May 2008
                        • 33208

                        #12
                        Originally posted by flippy
                        There's just something missing with Ben. For some reason, he's just not one of the guys. He is the guy. But in contrast, even though Sid is the guy, he's turned himself into one of the guys. I guess all I'm trying to say is Ben needs to become a hockey fan and learn from the kid.
                        I wanna see the dryer from Ben's childhood home...if there are no dents from him trying to throw footballs into it as a kid, we should cut him. Or maybe we could just have Brooks Orpik fire a puck into Ben's face, forcing him to ingest only smoothies for a month.
                        Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

                        Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

                        We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

                        We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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                        • anger 82&95
                          Starter
                          • May 2008
                          • 667

                          #13
                          Originally posted by RuthlessBurgher
                          I wanna see the dryer from Ben's childhood home...if there are no dents from him trying to throw footballs into it as a kid, we should cut him. Or maybe we could just have Brooks Orpik fire a puck into Ben's face, forcing him to ingest only smoothies for a month.
                          Or how often he consistently threw 65-yard bombs through the neighbors' tire swing while blindfolded… in the freezing rain and snow.

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                          • flippy
                            Legend
                            • Dec 2008
                            • 17088

                            #14
                            Originally posted by RuthlessBurgher
                            I wanna see the dryer from Ben's childhood home...if there are no dents from him trying to throw footballs into it as a kid, we should cut him. Or maybe we could just have Brooks Orpik fire a puck into Ben's face, forcing him to ingest only smoothies for a month.
                            I can see it now, Ben asks his dad to open the window and the dryer and he runs down the street to throw a football through the window into the dryer putting the dents in the siding of the house.

                            Ngata re-arranging his nose was Ben's Brooks moment.
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                            • thor75
                              Pro Bowler
                              • Dec 2012
                              • 1038

                              #15
                              Originally posted by RuthlessBurgher
                              Or maybe we could just have Brooks Orpik fire a puck into Ben's face, forcing him to ingest only smoothies for a month.
                              Dont remind me, hope he's ready for the playoffs at some point. They're up 5-2 right now
                              1. C.J. Mosley LB Alabama
                              2. Jordan Matthews WR Vanderbilt
                              3. (comp) Philip Gaines CB Rice
                              4. Arthur Lynch TE Georgia
                              5. Ross Cockrell CB Duke
                              5. (comp) Derrick Hopkins DT Virginia Tech
                              6. Josh Mauro DE Stanford
                              6. (comp) Shaquil Barrett OLB Colorado State
                              7. Quincy Enunwa WR Nebraska

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