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That's what happens when ownership demands the run game.
Only in Pittsburgh would an owner cut the balls off of his own franchise QB.
Art got what he wanted. He also got 8-8.
He can either step back, or he can continue to drive this team into the ground.
His choice.Comment
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Anyone who follows this team would know that local fans, and local media would get upset when Bruce Arians tried to throw the ball in the red zone.
They wanted their run game like when ol' Franco and ol' Jerome were here.
This whole sad situation started after 2009.
Arians appeased Art's wishes starting in 2010. The play-calling, specifically on first down in the red zone, was proof of that.Comment
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It's always someone else's fault and never Ben. Regardless of the play call, the ball should have been thrown away long before he took the hit. The play was doomed frm the start, bad play call, poor execution, poor planning, wrong situation, etc., the best thing to do there is to live and fight another day rather than get hit and not be able to fight for 3 weeks. That wasn't one of those plays that Ben makes, he had no escape route to get outside the pocket, throw it into the ground or into the cheap seats (he's got a strong arm) and live for the next play not die for the next three games.
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The 2025 Pittsburgh Steeler draft
1.21 - Derrick Harmon, DT, Oregon - Nick Emmanwori, S, S. Carolina
3.83 - Kaleb Johnson, RB, Iowa - DJ Giddens, RB, Kans St
3.123 - Will Howard, QB, OSU
4.156 - JJ Pegues, DT, Ole Miss
5.185 - Clay Webb, OG, Jack St
7.229 - Tyrion Ingram-Dawkins, DT, Georgia
"Football is a physical game, well, it used to be anyways" - Mel BlountComment
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So you want Ben, from the POCKET, to just start throwing balls away and quitting on 3rd and 4?It's always someone else's fault and never Ben. Regardless of the play call, the ball should have been thrown away long before he took the hit.
If that's what you want? Trade him.
Only in Yinzer Pittsburgh do fans want to dumb down their quarterback.Comment
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That F'ing play was a catastrophe from the GD start! Yes, in that situation, no escape, not looking down field because the pocket was collapsing, throw the GD thing away, why is that so F'ing hard to understand? When Ben has an escape route or only has to beat one defender, then, no, don't throw it away, because I believe Ben wins in that situation, but with the pocket collapsing there was absolutely no reason to try and make something happen, because it wasn't going to happen. It wasn't the last drive of the game or last gasp effort, there was time to make plays and win the game. Bad decision, IMO and it cost Ben three games, three games the Steelers didn't need to have him on the bench. Sometimes discretion is the bettor part of valor.
I've said it over and over again, Ben is as unique a talent that there is playing the position and Steeler games have never been more fun to watch, but situational football isn't exactly Ben's strength.
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The 2025 Pittsburgh Steeler draft
1.21 - Derrick Harmon, DT, Oregon - Nick Emmanwori, S, S. Carolina
3.83 - Kaleb Johnson, RB, Iowa - DJ Giddens, RB, Kans St
3.123 - Will Howard, QB, OSU
4.156 - JJ Pegues, DT, Ole Miss
5.185 - Clay Webb, OG, Jack St
7.229 - Tyrion Ingram-Dawkins, DT, Georgia
"Football is a physical game, well, it used to be anyways" - Mel BlountComment
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So again, you want Ben to take grounding penalties and quit?
Anyone can do that. Why pay him $15 mil?
The Steelers don't appreciate Ben's talent. They'd rather hire a coach to yell at him.
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Yea, you got me, I want him to ground it every play, you're blind love for Ben won't even allow you to think that in a given situation it is better to live and fight another day than it is to try and be a hero. Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers whether you like them or not don't take unnecessary hits and on occasion look like children trying to avoid getting hit, but at the end of the day, they're under center for their team.
Tom Brady 16 games per season except 2008
Peyton Manning 16 games per season except 2011
Aaron Rodgers 16 games per season since becoming a starter
Drew Brees 16 games per season (except 2003 only 11)
Ben Roethlisberger 2-12 game seasons, 2-13 game seasons, a 14 game season and a few 15 game seasons
Those few games per year can be the difference in a season particularly when a team leans on their quarterback to make plays like the Steelers do. The Steelers are a better football team with Ben on the field. He is part of the reason that he takes unnecessary hits and at times horrible offensive line play (see injuries and Sean Mahan) is the cause. It's time for Ben to limit the punishment he takes to the best of his ability and take his chances when the best opportunity for success exists.
The Steelers are contenders with him and less than average without him, it's that simple.
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The 2025 Pittsburgh Steeler draft
1.21 - Derrick Harmon, DT, Oregon - Nick Emmanwori, S, S. Carolina
3.83 - Kaleb Johnson, RB, Iowa - DJ Giddens, RB, Kans St
3.123 - Will Howard, QB, OSU
4.156 - JJ Pegues, DT, Ole Miss
5.185 - Clay Webb, OG, Jack St
7.229 - Tyrion Ingram-Dawkins, DT, Georgia
"Football is a physical game, well, it used to be anyways" - Mel BlountComment
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Ain't no party like a thread-jacking party. Fo sho?Here comes the BOOM!
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Pittsburgh, PA: City of Champions.Comment
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He's right. Palmer is so done it's pathetic.
Btw, Rodgers takes a TON of hits, he also runs around and scrambles, has two 50 sack seasons under his belt (so much for throwing the ball away), and missed games due to injury.
The Ben list above is mis-leading:
His first season he wasn't the starter when the season started. Then was held out of the last game when they were the #1 seed.
His second season, he was hurt first from the pocket when roid boy Luis Castillo cheap shotted him (with the game on the line so not sure what you'd want from him), and then was hurt throwing a TD pass to Heath Miller against the Ravens but finished the game. Both games were 4th quarter comebacks, had Ben decided to mail it in and quit and "fight another day" like people like you want him to do? No playoffs, and no Super Bowl title.
Third season he missed one game, due to his appendix. Nothing to do with actual football.
He missed the last game in 2007 when it was meaningless and it was done to rest him and others (They had no bye week).
2008 started every game.
2009 one game because of a concussion.
2010 the only games he missed were because of suspension. Not actual football.
2011 he missed one game.
So before the fluke injury in 2012, after 8 seasons, the total number of games that Ben missed due to being not healthy enough to play is SEVEN. And one of those was because of his appendix, and three more were because of Heinz Field's beautiful playing surface.
Has missed less time than Brady, less time than Peyton.
Big flipping deal.Last edited by BufordTJustice; 04-02-2013, 01:33 AM.Comment
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