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  • lloydroid
    Pro Bowler
    • Aug 2012
    • 2026

    I DO see a possible bright season scenario

    There are probably more "ifs" in this scenario than other more negative ones, however, I do think there is a chance things could unfold this way.

    What if?

    - Dwyer, the ultimate lazy back, eyes this contract year as the one time he is going to put in a full effort all season and all game long. The guy has talent. We have seen it. He can make plays where there are no holes to speak of. Instead of getting fatter as the season proceeds, he comes into camp in great shape and stays that way all season long. Eying his best chance to earn a big deal, he goes balls out and ends up a top 5 back in rushing yards for the season with 1,350 yards.

    - Between the new o-line philosophy and players improving through experience, the line becomes one of the best in the entire NFL. The unit of Adams, Foster, Pouncy, DD and Gilbert gel and actually stay healthy all season. What was once a weakness becomes a strength seemingly overnight.

    - Sick of hearing all the criticism, Tomlin refuses to allow any discipline problems to creep in the team. Feeling like if he is going to have to take the heat - from Rooneys, fans, media - he won't allow any discipline problems, and every time he sees any sign of it, he stomps on it like a cockroach. If a player is overweight, he is on his @ss endlessly, like Tom Coughlin. Making stupid mental errors? He immediately takes action to make the player focus better, or get benched. When MT came to Pgh, he was known as a real hard @ss, and he actually was TOO hard on the team, leading to a tired, worn out team down the stretch. He won't make that same mistake, but he also will no longer accept anything that resembles a lack of discipline. He won't make that same mistake again as he is getting very agitated hearing about the lack of discipline of last season. The entire team will reflect the new drive for focus.

    - Ben, also just sick and tired of the criticism, comes in with a passion and drive like he never has had before. Not only is he weary of the negative banter, but he realizes it's time to start thinking about that next contract, whether it's in Pgh or not. If he doesn't start being known for clutch winning play, instead of game-losing picks, that next contract will be a shell of what it could be. Plus, last year now makes Ben know that the 2 Super Bowls are no longer enough to keep fans, coaches, etc. willing to let things slide. He can clearly see that he needs to offer quality play again and not rest on his laurels. In addition, last season has taught him that he needs to embrace Haley's system and not fight it. Get with the program. He comes in with renewed enthusiasm instead of offering immature jack-assness.

    - If the Dwyer situation does not unfold as stated above, another scenario could easily occur with a rookie RB - and newly improved O line. The one position easiest for a player to produce as a rookie is running back. I could easily see a scenario where a Lacy, Ball or Bell come on and rock out. Overnight, Pgh could go from being a 26th rated rushing O, to a top 5 rushing team, just like that. With a legit rushing attack making safeties and LBs stay closer to the LOS, it gives Ben single coverage and opens up all kinds of passing lanes. With a rush no team had to respect, it makes it all the more difficult for the passing game.

    - The defense, minus a few older guys with some added youth, is all the more motivated to excel. Troy stays fairly healthy, Worilds cashes in on his contract year and a rookie is also added to produce some splash plays. The D drops a little in its ranking, but creates more sacks and turnovers - in general adding some more wins to the record.

    - Plex re-finds his football legs (He even made mention of that this week, as to how he was never really in football shape last season, and I thought it was apparent to the eye that he was not), Brown comes back with a passion and Sanders has a much better focus (without the bad apple Wallace chirping in his ear all season) and the WR unit outperforms last year's by a significant amount. With the perfect blend of youth and experience, these guys are motivated and stop the drops.

    It could all happen. And if it does, they will, at the very least, be a play off team and maybe even a contender. It could easily all go the other way, but I believe there is a chance it does down like this.
  • Siggy00
    Backup
    • Mar 2013
    • 452

    #2
    Did they scrap the two/three TE sets on offense?

    Until that happens? Everything else is moot.

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    • lloydroid
      Pro Bowler
      • Aug 2012
      • 2026

      #3
      Originally posted by Siggy00
      Did they scrap the two/three TE sets on offense?

      Until that happens? Everything else is moot.
      I don't think everything else is moot, considering all those possible points of improvement. If the O line gels and we get a real effort from a running back, if Tomlin instills discipline and Ben wakes up, 2 TE sets could work; they work for NE.

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      • Siggy00
        Backup
        • Mar 2013
        • 452

        #4
        NE hasn't won anything in 8 years.

        Tom Brady's last 4 AFC title games:

        94 for 157 for 1000 yards 4 TD 8 Int 65.8 rating.

        He's also crapped the bed in his last 2 Super Bowls.

        Who cares if they can beat up doormats.

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        • lloydroid
          Pro Bowler
          • Aug 2012
          • 2026

          #5
          Originally posted by Siggy00
          NE hasn't won anything in 8 years.

          Tom Brady's last 4 AFC title games:

          94 for 157 for 1000 yards 4 TD 8 Int 65.8 rating.

          He's also crapped the bed in his last 2 Super Bowls.

          Who cares if they can beat up doormats.
          So, all of the above proves a 2 TE set can't work? Seems like a heavy non sequitur to me. NE is always a contender. So they haven't won it all recently; they are still a damn good team. So, in your mind, when you are the 2nd best team in the entire NFL, you stink?

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          • Siggy00
            Backup
            • Mar 2013
            • 452

            #6
            Originally posted by lloydroid
            So, all of the above proves a 2 TE set can't work? Seems like a heavy non sequitur to me. NE is always a contender. So they haven't won it all recently; they are still a damn good team. So, in your mind, when you are the 2nd best team in the entire NFL, you stink?
            I'm saying for all of the alleged NE "greatness" with their 2 TE set, they haven't won anything with it and their alleged dreamy QB can't seem to produce in the playoffs anymore.

            Take it as you see fit.

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            • papillon
              Legend
              • Mar 2008
              • 11340

              #7
              Originally posted by Siggy00
              I'm saying for all of the alleged NE "greatness" with their 2 TE set, they haven't won anything with it and their alleged dreamy QB can't seem to produce in the playoffs anymore.

              Take it as you see fit.
              Neither can the Steelers' quarterback, take it as you see fit.

              The type of offense has some bearing on the success of the team. Execution, health and turnovers (lack of them) contribute much more to the success of an offense than the particular style. The 49ers aren't changing their offense because they didn't win the super bowl, neither are the Patriots, Packers, Saints, Falcons, etc. Execution or turnovers were the reasons these teams lost in the playoffs not the style of their offense.

              The Steeler offense was doing well and Ben was having one of his best years and the Steelers stood at 6-3, then Ben gets injured and I'm sure he was never 100% the rest of the year and he missed three games, the Steelers stumble home at 2-5 and miss the playoffs. They could have run 3 wide, 4 wide, 2 wide, high 5, 2 TEs, 3 TEs, pro-set, I-formation, single wing or any other configuration of 11 players that you can think of, they weren't winning enough games to get into the playoffs.

              Pappy
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              The 2025 Pittsburgh Steeler draft

              1.21 - Derrick Harmon, DT, Oregon - Nick Emmanwori, S, S. Carolina
              3.83 - Kaleb Johnson, RB, Iowa - DJ Giddens, RB, Kans St
              3.123 - Will Howard, QB, OSU
              4.156 - JJ Pegues, DT, Ole Miss
              5.185 - Clay Webb, OG, Jack St
              7.229 - Tyrion Ingram-Dawkins, DT, Georgia

              "Football is a physical game, well, it used to be anyways" - Mel Blount

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              • Siggy00
                Backup
                • Mar 2013
                • 452

                #8
                Neither can the Steelers' quarterback, take it as you see fit.
                And guess what? Ben started slow against the Packers, and the 2 TE set was used.

                The 2 TE sets left the field, and they scored points and got back in the game.

                Have a chance to take the lead in the 4th? DJ returns, missed his block, Mendy fumbled (Matthews admitted he played run based on formation).

                See?

                If the Steelers had 3 wide base against the Packers? They win.

                The Steelers in 2012 led the NFL in last 2 minute points. When the backup TEs aren't on the field then either.

                We go 3 wides and nail Johnson, Johnson, Paulson, and Speath to the bench and have 1 TE on the field all year? 12-4.

                Guaranteed.

                So Art and Haley have a choice to make: Wins or trying to recreate the past?
                Last edited by Siggy00; 03-21-2013, 01:41 AM.

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                • NW Steeler
                  Pro Bowler
                  • Dec 2008
                  • 1391

                  #9
                  Originally posted by lloydroid
                  There are probably more "ifs" in this scenario than other more negative ones, however, I do think there is a chance things could unfold this way.

                  What if?

                  - Dwyer, the ultimate lazy back, eyes this contract year as the one time he is going to put in a full effort all season and all game long. The guy has talent. We have seen it. He can make plays where there are no holes to speak of. Instead of getting fatter as the season proceeds, he comes into camp in great shape and stays that way all season long. Eying his best chance to earn a big deal, he goes balls out and ends up a top 5 back in rushing yards for the season with 1,350 yards.

                  - Between the new o-line philosophy and players improving through experience, the line becomes one of the best in the entire NFL. The unit of Adams, Foster, Pouncy, DD and Gilbert gel and actually stay healthy all season. What was once a weakness becomes a strength seemingly overnight.

                  - Sick of hearing all the criticism, Tomlin refuses to allow any discipline problems to creep in the team. Feeling like if he is going to have to take the heat - from Rooneys, fans, media - he won't allow any discipline problems, and every time he sees any sign of it, he stomps on it like a cockroach. If a player is overweight, he is on his @ss endlessly, like Tom Coughlin. Making stupid mental errors? He immediately takes action to make the player focus better, or get benched. When MT came to Pgh, he was known as a real hard @ss, and he actually was TOO hard on the team, leading to a tired, worn out team down the stretch. He won't make that same mistake, but he also will no longer accept anything that resembles a lack of discipline. He won't make that same mistake again as he is getting very agitated hearing about the lack of discipline of last season. The entire team will reflect the new drive for focus.

                  - Ben, also just sick and tired of the criticism, comes in with a passion and drive like he never has had before. Not only is he weary of the negative banter, but he realizes it's time to start thinking about that next contract, whether it's in Pgh or not. If he doesn't start being known for clutch winning play, instead of game-losing picks, that next contract will be a shell of what it could be. Plus, last year now makes Ben know that the 2 Super Bowls are no longer enough to keep fans, coaches, etc. willing to let things slide. He can clearly see that he needs to offer quality play again and not rest on his laurels. In addition, last season has taught him that he needs to embrace Haley's system and not fight it. Get with the program. He comes in with renewed enthusiasm instead of offering immature jack-assness.

                  - If the Dwyer situation does not unfold as stated above, another scenario could easily occur with a rookie RB - and newly improved O line. The one position easiest for a player to produce as a rookie is running back. I could easily see a scenario where a Lacy, Ball or Bell come on and rock out. Overnight, Pgh could go from being a 26th rated rushing O, to a top 5 rushing team, just like that. With a legit rushing attack making safeties and LBs stay closer to the LOS, it gives Ben single coverage and opens up all kinds of passing lanes. With a rush no team had to respect, it makes it all the more difficult for the passing game.

                  - The defense, minus a few older guys with some added youth, is all the more motivated to excel. Troy stays fairly healthy, Worilds cashes in on his contract year and a rookie is also added to produce some splash plays. The D drops a little in its ranking, but creates more sacks and turnovers - in general adding some more wins to the record.

                  - Plex re-finds his football legs (He even made mention of that this week, as to how he was never really in football shape last season, and I thought it was apparent to the eye that he was not), Brown comes back with a passion and Sanders has a much better focus (without the bad apple Wallace chirping in his ear all season) and the WR unit outperforms last year's by a significant amount. With the perfect blend of youth and experience, these guys are motivated and stop the drops.

                  It could all happen. And if it does, they will, at the very least, be a play off team and maybe even a contender. It could easily all go the other way, but I believe there is a chance it does down like this.
                  Who are you and what the hell did you do with lloydroid?!

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                  • BradshawsHairdresser
                    Legend
                    • Dec 2008
                    • 7056

                    #10
                    Originally posted by lloydroid
                    There are probably more "ifs" in this scenario than other more negative ones, however, I do think there is a chance things could unfold this way. What if? - Dwyer, the ultimate lazy back, eyes this contract year as the one time he is going to put in a full effort all season and all game long. The guy has talent. We have seen it. He can make plays where there are no holes to speak of. Instead of getting fatter as the season proceeds, he comes into camp in great shape and stays that way all season long. Eying his best chance to earn a big deal, he goes balls out and ends up a top 5 back in rushing yards for the season with 1,350 yards. - Between the new o-line philosophy and players improving through experience, the line becomes one of the best in the entire NFL. The unit of Adams, Foster, Pouncy, DD and Gilbert gel and actually stay healthy all season. What was once a weakness becomes a strength seemingly overnight. - Sick of hearing all the criticism, Tomlin refuses to allow any discipline problems to creep in the team. Feeling like if he is going to have to take the heat - from Rooneys, fans, media - he won't allow any discipline problems, and every time he sees any sign of it, he stomps on it like a cockroach. If a player is overweight, he is on his @ss endlessly, like Tom Coughlin. Making stupid mental errors? He immediately takes action to make the player focus better, or get benched. When MT came to Pgh, he was known as a real hard @ss, and he actually was TOO hard on the team, leading to a tired, worn out team down the stretch. He won't make that same mistake, but he also will no longer accept anything that resembles a lack of discipline. He won't make that same mistake again as he is getting very agitated hearing about the lack of discipline of last season. The entire team will reflect the new drive for focus. - Ben, also just sick and tired of the criticism, comes in with a passion and drive like he never has had before. Not only is he weary of the negative banter, but he realizes it's time to start thinking about that next contract, whether it's in Pgh or not. If he doesn't start being known for clutch winning play, instead of game-losing picks, that next contract will be a shell of what it could be. Plus, last year now makes Ben know that the 2 Super Bowls are no longer enough to keep fans, coaches, etc. willing to let things slide. He can clearly see that he needs to offer quality play again and not rest on his laurels. In addition, last season has taught him that he needs to embrace Haley's system and not fight it. Get with the program. He comes in with renewed enthusiasm instead of offering immature jack-assness. - If the Dwyer situation does not unfold as stated above, another scenario could easily occur with a rookie RB - and newly improved O line. The one position easiest for a player to produce as a rookie is running back. I could easily see a scenario where a Lacy, Ball or Bell come on and rock out. Overnight, Pgh could go from being a 26th rated rushing O, to a top 5 rushing team, just like that. With a legit rushing attack making safeties and LBs stay closer to the LOS, it gives Ben single coverage and opens up all kinds of passing lanes. With a rush no team had to respect, it makes it all the more difficult for the passing game. - The defense, minus a few older guys with some added youth, is all the more motivated to excel. Troy stays fairly healthy, Worilds cashes in on his contract year and a rookie is also added to produce some splash plays. The D drops a little in its ranking, but creates more sacks and turnovers - in general adding some more wins to the record. - Plex re-finds his football legs (He even made mention of that this week, as to how he was never really in football shape last season, and I thought it was apparent to the eye that he was not), Brown comes back with a passion and Sanders has a much better focus (without the bad apple Wallace chirping in his ear all season) and the WR unit outperforms last year's by a significant amount. With the perfect blend of youth and experience, these guys are motivated and stop the drops. It could all happen. And if it does, they will, at the very least, be a play off team and maybe even a contender. It could easily all go the other way, but I believe there is a chance it does down like this.
                    That's a lot of "ifs," but I certainly agree with the sentiment...hope this team turns it around and contends again in 2013.

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                    • Slapstick
                      Rookie
                      • May 2008
                      • 0

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Siggy00
                      I'm saying for all of the alleged NE "greatness" with their 2 TE set, they haven't won anything with it and their alleged dreamy QB can't seem to produce in the playoffs anymore.

                      Take it as you see fit.
                      Just like with Pittsburgh, and injuries to a very key player (Gronk for the Pats) can derail the SB run...
                      Actually, my post was NOT about you...but, if the shoe fits, feel free to lace that &!+€# up and wear it.

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                      • supersteeler
                        Pro Bowler
                        • Dec 2012
                        • 1089

                        #12
                        For me the key to the Steelers having success depends on the O-line and Ben. It's about time we have some luck with that line staying healthy gaining continuity to be successful.
                        In combination of the above adding a a good back and TE Eifert we could possibly see a difference as some feel our offense is weaker at this point. Probably the most important part of our offense is whether either Gilbert or Adams can man that LT position without any drop-off from starks at the minimum, anything above that would be icing on the cake.
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                        • Siggy00
                          Backup
                          • Mar 2013
                          • 452

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Slapstick
                          Just like with Pittsburgh, and injuries to a very key player (Gronk for the Pats) can derail the SB run...
                          Gronk's been injured for 8 years?

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                          • Slapstick
                            Rookie
                            • May 2008
                            • 0

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Siggy00
                            Gronk's been injured for 8 years?
                            They've been running the 2 TE set with Gronk and Hernandez for 8 years?
                            Actually, my post was NOT about you...but, if the shoe fits, feel free to lace that &!+€# up and wear it.

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                            • Shawn
                              Legend
                              • Mar 2008
                              • 15131

                              #15
                              Lotta ifs, but I like some of the optimism. I will say the one I'm most skeptical about is our OL. As long as Gilbert and Adams are our bookends, there will be problems with this OL. But, I can see them being a great run blocking OL. And that could allow Dwyer to have a big big season. With that said, if the Steelers draft Bell, all bets are off. I think this kid could be rookie of the year.
                              Trolls are people too.

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