Steelers, Packers interested in Ahmad Bradshaw

[Chadman]

They had slightly over 100 yards if I recall, I think 40 of it came on one carry in the first half from Charles. Jones did nothing in that game.

If we try to be the 2010 Chiefs? We won't win 6 games.

And what's sad? Is that's exactly where we are headed as a team.

Sad.

They were 10-7 at halftime, and proceeded to throw 3 INTS in the 2nd half, basically handing the game to the Ravens. The running game rotation was not a problem against the AFC Wild Card team. The passing game was.

Ben is better than Cassell, right?

[Siggy00]

We are turning Ben INTO Cassell. Hand off and then when that doesn't work bail us out on 3rd down.

Teams that value their HOF QB's don't treat them like Ben has been. Can't keep changing the parts at WR and expect 30 points a game.

They devalued Ben the minute they hired Chubbs Peterson Haley.

[Chadman]

We are turning Ben INTO Cassell. Hand off and then when that doesn't work bail us out on 3rd down.

Teams that value their HOF QB's don't treat them like Ben has been. Can't keep changing the parts at WR and expect 30 points a game.

They devalued Ben the minute they hired Chubbs Peterson Haley.

But the rotational RB committee won't be the problem.

[Siggy00]

What were we ranked in 2012?

Giants, Redskins, at Bengals. Injuries forced Haley to stop rotating.

How'd the run game look?

[Chadman]

What were we ranked in 2012?

Giants, Redskins, at Bengals. Injuries forced Haley to stop rotating.

How'd the run game look?

But that's a different stable of runningbacks. The success/failure of that group could easily be argued to be based on the quality of the guys in place.

How did the RB's at the Saints look?

[Slapstick]

The injuries on the O-Line, specifically Colon, killed the Steelers' run game in 2012...

Colon was a good run blocker at LG and was coming into his own before the injury...the Steelers backs at that time lent themselves to running between the tackles...neither Dwyer nor Redman are guys that can consistently go outside the tackles...Rainey supposedly had the speed to do so, but was also inconsistent...

[supersteeler]

I wonder what can be accomplished today with Bradshaw's visit outside of a physical? He recently had the boot removed and it probably is safe to say he can't work out for the team this early.
I don't even know if they will discuss a contract either unless they have plans to rework one of their own like Troy or some other player but that would put us in cap issues next year by doing that right?

From the outside looking in it appears the Steelers have a strong interest in Ahmad, so in the end it comes down to the numbers to see if he can fit in within their cap guidelines.

[phillyesq]

Remember when this thread was about Bradshaw? That was nice. Anybody hear anything about his visit?

[Slapstick]

Remember when this thread was about Bradshaw? That was nice. Anybody hear anything about his visit?

You know who can run outside the tackles? Ahmad Bradshaw....

[Slapstick]

I like this quote:

Ben Roethlisberger shows time and time again how good of a passer he is. But with his improvement, the Steelers steered away from what made them so successful – punishing offensive line, punishing running game, orchestrated by Roethlisberger, instead of him taking the team into another direction, which possibly glorifies him as a quarterback, but doesn’t bring with it too many wins.

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[JUST-PLAIN-NASTY]

No, you don't draft the 'change of pace guy'. You draft a young eventual feature back caliber RB because Dwyer or Bradshaw or both can't carry the load and will be injured. Both Bradshaw and Dwyer can catch the ball on 3rd down, thats all you need. How much have you seen the Steelers use a 'chage of pace back'? They had that midget we let go to Detroit and Rainey and neither barely saw the field so it would be a wasted roster spot.

"Change of Pace Guy" doesn't de-classify him as an eventual feature back. The Steelers "Change of Pace Guy" would be a RB who could threaten the edge. "Change of Pace Guy" isn't a 3rd down back...Did you see me say that? If Bradshaw is signed, he & Dwyer do not threaten the edge. There is more to football strategy than what is played between the lines...It is also in the classroom. When you have two different style backs, it makes the DC game plan against both. When you have that "gimmick" guy...That is another that has to be planned for. If the Steelers come out in 21 or 22 personel and you show that gimmick guy in the slot that is alot to plan for. You won't fool anyone with lining up & running betwen the tackles with bangers. They won't be threatened on the edge...The DC will DARE you to try.

We haven't see the Steelers use a change of pace guy because we haven't had one. Since this is Haley's offense & he was brought here to run better...You go to his days with the Chiefs. What was Haley's formula? Thomas Jones (Banger), Jamaal Charles (Change of Pace), & Dexter McCluster (Gimmick). If Charles didn't go down in 2011 we could have really seen a 2 year of body of work. The Chiefs didn't have BB so one can only imagine what a running game of that caliber would do with a QB. It shouldn't be a surprise...They went after Rainey last year..Haley went for that type of player again.

Logan was a returner he wasn't a gimmick guy. I think he got 1 reception as a Steeler & didn't rush at all. Rainey barely saw the field? Do you watch the games? He was that "Gimmick" guy. A KR/PR/RB/WR...The definition. 26 carries, 14 receptions, 42 KR/PR....1,213 All purpose yards on 82 touches. Not bad for a rookie 5th round pick.

None would be a wasted roster spot. Just throwing in names...Bradshaw (Feature), Dwyer (Rotation), Spencer Ware-Rex Burkhead-Cameron Marshall-(Short yardage), Cierre Wood-Ray Graham (Change of Pace), & Onterio McCalleb (Gimmick KR/PR/RB/WR). That list last year was Mendy, Dwyer, Redman, Batch, & Rainey. That list was a disappointment. Mendy is gone. Rainey is gone. Redman will be 29...We have seen what Redman has to offer. Both he & Dwyer will make 1.3 mil...They can be replaced cheaper. Batch is a great person but below average RB. If Dwyer is in shape and shows dedication...I have absolutley no probelm with him being the only face left. He will be 24 in camp. Now you have a YOUNG stable featured by a productive vet. Future is bright.

[Mister Pittsburgh]

"Change of Pace Guy" doesn't de-classify him as an eventual feature back. The Steelers "Change of Pace Guy" would be a RB who could threaten the edge. "Change of Pace Guy" isn't a 3rd down back...Did you see me say that? If Bradshaw is signed, he & Dwyer do not threaten the edge. There is more to football strategy than what is played between the lines...It is also in the classroom. When you have two different style backs, it makes the DC game plan against both. When you have that "gimmick" guy...That is another that has to be planned for. If the Steelers come out in 21 or 22 personel and you show that gimmick guy in the slot that is alot to plan for. You won't fool anyone with lining up & running betwen the tackles with bangers. They won't be threatened on the edge...The DC will DARE you to try.

We haven't see the Steelers use a change of pace guy because we haven't had one. Since this is Haley's offense & he was brought here to run better...You go to his days with the Chiefs. What was Haley's formula? Thomas Jones (Banger), Jamaal Charles (Change of Pace), & Dexter McCluster (Gimmick). If Charles didn't go down in 2011 we could have really seen a 2 year of body of work. The Chiefs didn't have BB so one can only imagine what a running game of that caliber would do with a QB. It shouldn't be a surprise...They went after Rainey last year..Haley went for that type of player again.

Logan was a returner he wasn't a gimmick guy. I think he got 1 reception as a Steeler & didn't rush at all. Rainey barely saw the field? Do you watch the games? He was that "Gimmick" guy. A KR/PR/RB/WR...The definition. 26 carries, 14 receptions, 42 KR/PR....1,213 All purpose yards on 82 touches. Not bad for a rookie 5th round pick.

None would be a wasted roster spot. Just throwing in names...Bradshaw (Feature), Dwyer (Rotation), Spencer Ware-Rex Burkhead-Cameron Marshall-(Short yardage), Cierre Wood-Ray Graham (Change of Pace), & Onterio McCalleb (Gimmick KR/PR/RB/WR). That list last year was Mendy, Dwyer, Redman, Batch, & Rainey. That list was a disappointment. Mendy is gone. Rainey is gone. Redman will be 29...We have seen what Redman has to offer. Both he & Dwyer will make 1.3 mil...They can be replaced cheaper. Batch is a great person but below average RB. If Dwyer is in shape and shows dedication...I have absolutley no probelm with him being the only face left. He will be 24 in camp. Now you have a YOUNG stable featured by a productive vet. Future is bright.

No, I don't watch the games, I watch the Bills play American Football.....

Piss off man....you don't create a 'category' for every ability of every back. My point was give me a RB that can run between the tackles, take it outside, and stay on the field for 3rd down. Change of pace back, for us, has been the 'gimmick' guy and that is what I am referring to. Give me one back that is the feature back that can run inside, take it off the edge, and catch. That was my point.

[Siggy00]

The injuries on the O-Line, specifically Colon, killed the Steelers' run game in 2012...

Colon was a good run blocker at LG and was coming into his own before the injury...the Steelers backs at that time lent themselves to running between the tackles...neither Dwyer nor Redman are guys that can consistently go outside the tackles...Rainey supposedly had the speed to do so, but was also inconsistent...

Yeah Rainey was inconsistent. Like it was his fault that Haley never ran him wide.

Good God.

[Siggy00]

I like this quote:



Ben Roethlisberger shows time and time again how good of a passer he is. But with his improvement, the Steelers steered away from what made them so successful – punishing offensive line, punishing running game, orchestrated by Roethlisberger, instead of him taking the team into another direction, which possibly glorifies him as a quarterback, but doesn’t bring with it too many wins.

Absolute garbage. Passing early, then running late, is why they won games.

And suckers like you Slap buy the romanced BS of the past.

Yeah they didn't win enough. 2 AFC titles, another ring, and back to back seasons of 12+ wins for the first time in their history since 2007.

Then the golf coach with connections showed up and they went 8-8.

That quote defines Drew Brees and Eli Manning a helluva lot more than it defines Ben Roethlisberger.

[JUST-PLAIN-NASTY]

No, I don't watch the games, I watch the Bills play American Football.....

Piss off man....you don't create a 'category' for every ability of every back. My point was give me a RB that can run between the tackles, take it outside, and stay on the field for 3rd down. Change of pace back, for us, has been the 'gimmick' guy and that is what I am referring to. Give me one back that is the feature back that can run inside, take it off the edge, and catch. That was my point.

Internet tuff guy...Confident response from afar. Hurt your feelings or your Vagina? Weak Spanky.

It is called a "role". When you learn more about football...Things will become clearer for you. Having different abilities at the skill positions creates complexity in gameplans & defensive execution on the field. Of course it would be GREAT to get that unique animal that can do it all. When did the Steelers have that last? If it was so easy we wouldn't be in this problem. If you can't get it in one you have to fill all roles. There is no Peterson in this draft. Even the highest rated RB Lacy won't give you what you are looking for.