Greg Cosell: T'eo is a base inside linebacker in the NFL

[BigRob]

Greg Cosell was on the Herd this morning. He watches more film than anyone outside of scouts and personnel men in the NFL.

They asked him about Manti's combine performance. Here are a few things he said:

Wasn't surprised by his combine results because it is the same as his tape.

He said T'eo is a purely a base ILB in the NFL. He is good inside the box. He can stop the run and shed blocks.

He struggles outside the box and when asked to cover outside the box.

He will never play in any sub packages in the NFL.

Doesn't view him as a first round pick.

[Shawn]

Just listened to an analysis on ESPN. I forget the guys name...May maybe? But, he stated any team who drafts Te'o in round one should fire their GM. I agree. I think he falls like a rock on draft day. I suspect he will be sitting there in round 2 for the Steelers. I might look at him there.

[Dee Dub]

Greg Cosell was on the Herd this morning. He watches more film than anyone outside of scouts and personnel men in the NFL.

They asked him about Manti's combine performance. Here are a few things he said:

Wasn't surprised by his combine results because it is the same as his tape.

He said T'eo is a purely a base ILB in the NFL. He is good inside the box. He can stop the run and shed blocks.

He struggles outside the box and when asked to cover outside the box.

He will never play in any sub packages in the NFL.

Doesn't view him as a first round pick.

I hardly thinks this is ground breaking information. This is what Manti T'eo has been the past 4 years. As much as I love the kid I have never tried to paint him as a complete LB. He does have some liability in pass coverage. Having said that, this past year he improved leaps and bounds. Will he ever be great at it? No. Put him in the right system, like a 3-4 zone blitz, where he will primarily drop into a zone, I think because of his excellent read and react skills he will do well in that. But he is a thumper by nature. When asked to come forward 2 and 3 years ago, at 255 lbs, he was a machine in the opponents back field. This is another reason why I have been so all over him. He is an ideal fit next to Timmons. This would allow LeBeau the freedom to move Timmons around (blitz him more, disguise more, etc,). With Larry Foote in the middle Timmons has had to stay home a lot more than what is beneficial to the Steelers and Timmons over-all game.

[feltdizz]

Mark May is a PITT alumn and a classic ND hater...

I agree with him but I wouldn't take his word as fact.

Kind of reminds me of Josh McDaniels. He tied his future to Tebow and was gone after 2 seasons. Any GM who takes Te'o takes a risk because of the hype and media craze

[Dee Dub]

Just listened to an analysis on ESPN. I forget the guys name...May maybe? But, he stated any team who drafts Te'o in round one should fire their GM. I agree. I think he falls like a rock on draft day. I suspect he will be sitting there in round 2 for the Steelers. I might look at him there.

Again, I would have no problem drafting him at 17. The player you are going to get for the next 10 years will make it worth it. Of course I would love to get him in round 2. I love the Steelers more than I love him and that would be great value. But I doubt very seriously if he and Minter get past Green Bay and Baltimore at 26 and 32.

[BigRob]

I hardly thinks this is ground breaking information. This is what Manti T'eo has been the past 4 years. As much as I love the kid I have never tried to paint him as a complete LB. He does have some liability in pass coverage. Having said that, this past year he improved leaps and bounds. Will he ever be great at it? No. Put him in the right system, like a 3-4 zone blitz, where he will primarily drop into a zone, I think because of his excellent read and react skills he will do well in that. But he is a thumper by nature. When asked to come forward 2 and 3 years ago, at 255 lbs, he was a machine in the opponents back field. This is another reason why I have been so all over him. He is an ideal fit next to Timmons. This would allow LeBeau the freedom to move Timmons around (blitz him more, disguise more, etc,). With Larry Foote in the middle Timmons has had to stay home a lot more than what is beneficial to the Steelers and Timmons over-all game.

I know it's not ground breaking information. I think it confirms my opinion on T'eo. Not saying it must be anyone else's opinion. He's not a first round pick and will make it to the 2nd rd.

I wouldn't pick him at 17 if I was Colbert/Tomlin.

[Dee Dub]

I know it's not ground breaking information. I think it confirms my opinion on T'eo. Not saying it must be anyone else's opinion. He's not a first round pick and will make it to the 2nd rd.

I wouldn't pick him at 17 if I was Colbert/Tomlin.

But you would use the 17th overall pick on a 4.57 WR who may have limitations himself?...............oh ok...????

[BigRob]

But you would use the 17th overall pick on a 4.57 WR who may have limitations himself?...............oh ok...????

First of all, you can put your stock in the 40 all you want. You can explain away T'eo's athletic limitations all you want by saying "Go to the tape."

I tell you to do the same thing. Go to the tape. Deandre Hopkins plays fast on tape. The 40 is as much about technique as anything.

What a weak counter argument you made.

The simple asnwer is: You don't take an ILB that will never play in sub packages with the 17th overall pick.



Hopkins has Roddy White like potential. White ran a 4.45 40 at his pro day. Want to bet Hopkins comes closer to that?

[Dee Dub]

First of all, you can put your stock in the 40 all you want. You can explain away T'eo's athletic limitations all you want by saying "Go to the tape."

I tell you to do the same thing. Go to the tape. Deandre Hopkins plays fast on tape. The 40 is as much about technique as anything.

What a weak counter argument you made.

The simple asnwer is: You don't take an ILB that will never play in sub packages with the 17th overall pick.



Hopkins has Roddy White like potential. White ran a 4.45 40 at his pro day. Want to bet Hopkins comes closer to that?

Come on now you know you have heard me talk on DeAndre Hopkins a 100 times. I love the dude, however you are being a little hypocritical when you knock T'eo for not being complete and say he isnt worthy of the 17th overall pick or even a first round pick yet are ok with drafting Hopkins at 17 when he too has some limitations. And it is ok to take a WR at 17 who may only play as the 3rd WR on the team for next year and maybe even longer? Isn't that comparable to T'eo not playing in sub-packages?

A smell an agenda.

[BigRob]

Come on now you know you have heard me talk on DeAndre Hopkins a 100 times. I love the dude, however you are being a little hypocritical when you knock T'eo for not being complete and say he isnt worthy of the 17th overall pick or even a first round pick yet are ok with drafting Hopkins at 17 when he too has some limitations. And it is ok to take a WR at 17 who may only play as the 3rd WR on the team for next year and maybe even longer? Isn't that comparable to T'eo not playing in sub-packages?

A smell an agenda.

I do have an agenda. Hopkins is a very polished receiver and would be a very good #2 option for the Steelers at Wr.

Much better pick than a limited ILB at 17.

[Chadman]

Wether or not Te'o is 1st round potential or not might be a moot point, as the whole 'saga' has now probably effected his draft stock more than anything he does on the field.

He'd be good value in the 2nd round.

[feltdizz]

Without the hoax would he Teo still be 1st round material with thr Bama game and average combine?

[Dee Dub]

Without the hoax would he Teo still be 1st round material with thr Bama game and average combine?

Well without the hoax I believe he doesnt have the same performance he had versus Alabama. Cause and affect....get it?

[feltdizz]

Well without the hoax I believe he doesnt have the same performance he had versus Alabama. Cause and affect....get it?

excuses... once the game starts all that goes out the window. Did he see the ghost of Lennay when Lacy ran him over? Did he get phone calls on the sideline between series?

C'mon Dub... you sound really weak right now. LOL...

You based his character on a GF who was a dude... I know it hurts but you don't have to do this to yourself. Let him go... he is a big boy, let him rise or fall on his own instead of making all these excuses. Did you make a bet on his draft stock?

[Dee Dub]

excuses... once the game starts all that goes out the window. Did he see the ghost of Lennay when Lacy ran him over? Did he get phone calls on the sideline between series?

C'mon Dub... you sound really weak right now. LOL...

You based his character on a GF who was a dude... I know it hurts but you don't have to do this to yourself. Let him go... he is a big boy, let him rise or fall on his own instead of making all these excuses. Did you make a bet on his draft stock?

It's not an excuse if you have a 4 year body of work that shows something completely different. What did T'eo do for 4 years prior to this game?

And we have already been down the fake girlfriend road. T'eo believed he was talking to a girl. And there is a picture of Diane O'Meara who was suppose to be Lennay Kekua. And also Tuiasosopo cousin ( a female named Tino), admitted to talking to T'eo on the phone as the fake girlfriend.

Manti Te'o was speaking to a woman on the phone after all.
The architect of the hoax, Ronaiah Tuiasosopo, used his cousin Tino to play the part of Lennay Kekua during conversations with Te'o.
"Tino is the girl that Manti has been talking to all these months," a cousin of Tuiasosopo [URL="http://m.nypost.com/f/mobile/news/local/revealed_the_real_voice_of_fake_GfkurlQYJF0ZA6zzYt JmWI"]told the New York Post[/URL].

[URL]http://www.usatoday.com/story/gameon/2013/01/25/manti-teo-fake-girlfriend-lennay-kekua-ronaiah-tuiasosopo-tino-tuiasosopo/1863869/[/URL]

What is really sad is you just dont want to acknowledge this. And it makes one wonder why? What is your agenda to continue to bash T'eo and distort the truth about this story?