I still would draft T'eo and Minter!!

[feltdizz]

That's the difference between you and I. I think it very well could be a viable excuse especially when you look at his performance prior to this event. He played at a very high level and then there was a substantial drop off. But you are who you are and I am who I am. We see things differently. You are quick to judge and condemn and I am not.

I hope you realize you just judged me...lol.

Anyway... no one said he didnt habe a good season but against the best team on the biggest stage you wwnt to give him a pass and I refuse to. He had a chance to redeem himself in the Senior Bowl, he had a chance to redeem himself with a better 40 time or a better combine.

He made an excuse for his 40 time saying the combine was draining. Excuse after excuse... but you are free to convince us otherwidse but realize you cant talk him into performing better. He had some good games this year... and some not so good games.

[feltdizz]

Again, Chadman is agreeing. Dee Dub is right too, though. It's not like Te'o suddenly became a terrible footballer. He's a talented guy. And he's being put through some extraordinary circumstances- regardless of who is at fault for it.

While Te'o suffering from the pressure is certainly understandable, it would look 'better' for him if he then used this pressure to bring out more focus in him, make him produce something to show that he can overcome. Right now, everything he's giving us is negative. It'll hurt his draft stock, regardless of how right or wrong people are in diagnosing his ability.

His Pro Day has suddenly become HUGE for him, but given the recent 'fall', Chadman is not sure just how much his Pro Day can salvage his pre-Draft stock.

Right now... if he was available at #17, Chadman would try to find greater 'guarenteed value'. If he was there when the Steelers pick in the 2nd... he'd be very tempting.

I dont want him... but I dont think he is a horrible football player either. Dub said Pro Bowler... uses comparisons like Willis and Ray Lewis and I dont see it.

He's definitely been through some drama but this is what happens when your off field story is larger than the on field story.

Ive said all along I think he is a late 2nd/mid 3rd talent. Again, he was 2nd in the Heisman and won all kinds of awards. Why should I lower my expectations or give him the benefit? His job is to live up to the hype. If the hype was realistic maybe I would be a fan but IMO he is just like Brady Quinn, Tebow, Hansbrough... don't sell me a superstar when I see a role player.

If he becomes a star I will admit my mistake.

[feltdizz]

...and one more thing. All these horrible things happened to a girl he never met. In early Dec he got whiff that it was a scam. ND investigated, he knew something was funky yet he still let a phone call on game day distract him from the mpst important game of his career.

Too many excuses...

[Dee Dub]

I dont want him... but I dont think he is a horrible football player either. Dub said Pro Bowler... uses comparisons like Willis and Ray Lewis and I dont see it.

He's definitely been through some drama but this is what happens when your off field story is larger than the on field story.

Ive said all along I think he is a late 2nd/mid 3rd talent. Again, he was 2nd in the Heisman and won all kinds of awards. Why should I lower my expectations or give him the benefit? His job is to live up to the hype. If the hype was realistic maybe I would be a fan but IMO he is just like Brady Quinn, Tebow, Hansbrough... don't sell me a superstar when I see a role player.

If he becomes a star I will admit my mistake.

Hilarious!! I have never compared him to Patrick Willis or Ray Lewis. It was BigRob who said he wasn't in that class and I simply pointed out that the last two years Patrick Willis as been average.

You are amazing.

[Dee Dub]

...and one more thing. All these horrible things happened to a girl he never met. In early Dec he got whiff that it was a scam. ND investigated, he knew something was funky yet he still let a phone call on game day distract him from the mpst important game of his career.

Too many excuses...

If that person showed up on game day what do you think the circus (media), would have been? You dont think that may have been playing in his mind?

Regardless felt, I still think he is worthy of a first round pick and I would have no problem taking him at 17.

[feltdizz]

There was no person... and he never met this person... and he knew this person was shady a month ago when he told his coach about it.

Why would he even entertain a call or pick up the phone on game day?

His judgment is suspect if he was innocent in all of this. Everyone else who dealt with Lannai figured it out on a month that ot was weird bit this guy is entertaining ghost? Cmon Dub...

[feltdizz]

Hilarious!! I have never compared him to Patrick Willis or Ray Lewis. It was BigRob who said he wasn't in that class and I simply pointed out that the last two years Patrick Willis as been average.

You are amazing.

Apologies if so... but you did say pro bowler.

[Dee Dub]

There was no person... and he never met this person... and he knew this person was shady a month ago when he told his coach about it.

Why would he even entertain a call or pick up the phone on game day?

His judgment is suspect if he was innocent in all of this. Everyone else who dealt with Lannai figured it out on a month that ot was weird bit this guy is entertaining ghost? Cmon Dub...

Yes there was a person. The person who did the hoax. How embarrassing would that have been had he shown up at the hotel? Have you not heard this guy? He isnt all there. I am a pretty strong guy but I think at 22 years old I may have had a hard time focusing on a game when I knew that some dude may show up at my hotel telling everyone he was the voice behind the person I thought was a girl.

[Dee Dub]

Apologies if so... but you did say pro bowler.

Yep..and I stand behind that. At some point I believe he will be a pro bowler in the NFL.

[feltdizz]

Yes there was a person. The person who did the hoax. How embarrassing would that have been had he shown up at the hotel? Have you not heard this guy? He isnt all there. I am a pretty strong guy but I think at 22 years old I may have had a hard time focusing on a game when I knew that some dude may show up at my hotel telling everyone he was the voice behind the person I thought was a girl.

Read that again... then read it one more time.

Why should I, as a fan or GM, have to take that into consideration when grading his play in the biggest game of his career? Get off the phone and get in game mode.

[grotonsteel]

NFL Teams want to know if Manti Te'o is gay...

I am not against gay/lesbians but its too much of a distraction regarding Te'o.

[Dee Dub]

NFL Teams want to know if Manti Te'o is gay...

I am not against gay/lesbians but its too much of a distraction regarding Te'o.

Why would T'eo be gay? Just because the guy who duped him is gay that makes T'eo gay? You guys forget that T'eo thought he was talking to a women. A picture he saw of a women before he ever initiated any kind of conversation with anyone.

If it was a picture of a dude or a transsexual then you may be on to something. But it wasnt. It was an attractive women.

[feltdizz]

Dub... read that again out loud. When "the guy who tricked him into falling on love is the gay one, not him" its time to move on.

[Dee Dub]

Dub... read that again out loud. When "the guy who tricked him into falling on love is the gay one, not him" its time to move on.

Why is it so hard for you to understand that T'eo thought he was talking to a women? Did you not ever see the picture of who he thought was Lennay Kekua? And then there was an actual woman who T'eo spoke to over the phone. Here educate yourself.

Swarbrick said that the relationship took place online and over the phone. Te'o had described staying on the phone with whom he thought was Kekua for hours each night over many months. Tuiasosopo's friend from church told ESPN that Tuiasosopo admitted to having his female cousin speak to Te'o over the phone.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8857057/friend-says-ronaiah-tuiasosopo-confessed-manti-teo-girlfriend-hoax

[feltdizz]

Why is it so hard for you to understand that T'eo thought he was talking to a women? Did you not ever see the picture of who he thought was Lennay Kekua? And then there was an actual woman who T'eo spoke to over the phone. Here educate yourself.

Swarbrick said that the relationship took place online and over the phone. Te'o had described staying on the phone with whom he thought was Kekua for hours each night over many months. Tuiasosopo's friend from church told ESPN that Tuiasosopo admitted to having his female cousin speak to Te'o over the phone.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8857057/friend-says-ronaiah-tuiasosopo-confessed-manti-teo-girlfriend-hoax

I don't need an education on catfishing and GM's shouldn't either. I don't want a player in our locker room who needs to be defended or given the benefit of the doubt because a guy was in love with him and knew how to change his voice to a female. This guy was phone boning for hours with a dude... A DUDE.

Everyone else who fell for the Lennay hoax figured it out in a month... this guy ran on TV acting like she was his soul mate and he never met her. That's odd... creepy and a little sad.

However, you fail to see the bigger picture... why entertain this pick at 17, with this weird story, average combine times, no senior bow and Lacy tossing him aside like a rag doll when you can get the same thing in the 2nd or 3rd round without the circus?