I still would draft T'eo and Minter!!

[flippy]

I would bet my house that Larry Foote never had a season in which he had 13.5 tackles for loss. Or one in which he had 7 INT's. Big difference.

Foote was the man in college. He definitely didn't have the INTs, but he had 26 TFL his senior season.
[url]http://bentley.umich.edu/athdept/football/fballam/aafoote.htm[/url]

Sounds like our boy Shoe might be moving up to a deluxe apartment in the sky

[Dee Dub]

Foote was the man in college. He definitely didn't have the INTs, but he had 26 TFL his senior season.
[URL]http://bentley.umich.edu/athdept/football/fballam/aafoote.htm[/URL]

Sounds like our boy Shoe might be moving up to a deluxe apartment in the sky

Wow...you got me on that one. I would have never thought that. Oh well...I aint given up my house.

[flippy]

Wow...you got me on that one. I would have never thought that. Oh well...I aint given up my house.

I've always said if Foote had either size or speed, he'd be an All Pro. He's really got great instincts, but he's slow and weak at the point of attack.

Last year, they got fast Foote in Spence. If they drafted Minter, they'd get big Foote this year. While I wouldn't use the #17 pick, it would be interesting to see the regular Foote compete with the fast and big Foote.

[Dee Dub]

I've always said if Foote had either size or speed, he'd be an All Pro. He's really got great instincts, but he's slow and weak at the point of attack.

Last year, they got fast Foote in Spence. If they drafted Minter, they'd get big Foote this year. While I wouldn't use the #17 pick, it would be interesting to see the regular Foote compete with the fast and big Foote.

Hey wasnt Foote an OLB at Michigan? I'm pretty sure he was. So he never had 13.5 tackles for loss from the ILB spot. So I keep my house.

[grotonsteel]

I will pass on Teo..Too slow and cant shed blocks. Got abused by Alabama...nothing spectacular about his play. On top of that fake girlfriend drama.

Minter is not a Rd 1 ILB.

ILB at #17 is highly over-rated. One can get a thumper LB in Rd 3. You don't want to invest tweo mid Rd 1 picks on ILB position.

At #17 you draft a game changer on either side.

[Chadman]

A guy like Penn St's Gerald Hodges might provide as good 'value' as a Round 3-4 type LB as a Te'o or Minter. Obviously, Minter & Te'o are likely to be superior footballers, but for run stuffing ILB's, not sure if they provide great 'value' as 1st round picks.

[feltdizz]

I'm talking about when he came out. And I'm not doubting their oustanding production. But I will tell you that there are loads of guys who were awesome producers at the college level... it doesn't make them worthy of a first-round pick. I'll bet you Larry Foote (Big Ten DPOY) had similar stats, along with a comparable 40 time. Foote was had in the 5th round pick (or whatever it was).

I agree Shoe. Patrick Willis keeps coming up but that guy proved himself in the SEC on an Ole Miss team.

I think Te'o is a solid late 2nd or mid 3rd rounder and I think the hype has already started to hurt his draft stock. Not sure if anyone watched his 40, they showed the Ravens HC shaking his head in disappointment while watching Te'o. Maybe he's bluffing but he looked disappointed in what he witnessed.

[Shawn]

My understanding is Mintor, Te'o and Williams had poor combines. Not saying all there is but the pieces start adding up.

[Shoe]

Hey wasnt Foote an OLB at Michigan? I'm pretty sure he was. So he never had 13.5 tackles for loss from the ILB spot. So I keep my house.

Too late... a deal's a deal. Just scooch over and make room... I like the left side of the bed.

[Shoe]

I agree Shoe. Patrick Willis keeps coming up but that guy proved himself in the SEC on an Ole Miss team.

I think Te'o is a solid late 2nd or mid 3rd rounder and I think the hype has already started to hurt his draft stock. Not sure if anyone watched his 40, they showed the Ravens HC shaking his head in disappointment while watching Te'o. Maybe he's bluffing but he looked disappointed in what he witnessed.

That's the way I see it too--I'm OK with Te'o in the 2nd and beyond.

[Dee Dub]

I will pass on Teo..Too slow and cant shed blocks. Got abused by Alabama...nothing spectacular about his play. On top of that fake girlfriend drama.

Minter is not a Rd 1 ILB.

ILB at #17 is highly over-rated. One can get a thumper LB in Rd 3. You don't want to invest tweo mid Rd 1 picks on ILB position.

At #17 you draft a game changer on either side.

Would you be willing to take that one game away and judge T'eo on his complete body of work for all the rest of his games at Notre Dame?

[Dee Dub]

My understanding is Mintor, Te'o and Williams had poor combines. Not saying all there is but the pieces start adding up.

Dont agree. I actually watched it. Other than his 40 T'eo was very solid in his drills. Had a better 20 yard shuttle and a 3 cone drill cone than your boy Alec Ogletree. And again for me that is a better barometer for and ILB than a 40 yard dash is.

[feltdizz]

Would you be willing to take that one game away and judge T'eo on his complete body of work for all the rest of his games at Notre Dame?

That isn't how it works. It's the one game where he played against the big boys of the SEC who are the closest thing to NFL talent. IMO he should have played in the Senior Bowl.

I do agree on shuttle and cone drills being more important than 40 time....

[JUST-PLAIN-NASTY]

I don't think the Steelers will look at ILB inside the Top 3-4 rounds. Just my thoughts.

[Dee Dub]

That isn't how it works. It's the one game where he played against the big boys of the SEC who are the closest thing to NFL talent. IMO he should have played in the Senior Bowl.

I think there was kind of a distraction that may have played a roll in that...just sayin.

I do agree on shuttle and cone drills being more important than 40 time....

Oh good...then that means you dont think he is slow anymore. His shuttle and cone drills were solid and better than Alec Ogletree's.