I still would draft T'eo and Minter!!

[Dee Dub]

I dont care what anyone has to say. I don't care about any issue with T'eo being duped by a fake girlfriend and that he wasn't honest about it. I dont care about a bad performance in the championship game. I dont care that he and Minter ran 4.80 40's. I would still take them at 17 and never look back.

I have seen enough of both of these guys to know they are solid football players. Guys that I believe will be even better in the NFL. If you look at Minter's 15 tackles for loss this past year and T'eo's 13.5 two years ago when he played at 255 it tells me that they both play fast on the football field. Think about it. They are coming from 5-7 yards off the line of scrimmage and racking up those numbers in the opponents back field? I believe these two would excel in Le Beau's 3-4 next to Timmons.

Put me down for DeAndre Hopkins (4.57), and Terrance Williams (4.52), as well. Both didn't run great 40's but both played great on the field.

[pfelix73]

I concur. Starting to like this Ziggy Ansah too.. What are your thoughts on him?

[Shoe]

I dont care what anyone has to say. I don't care about any issue with T'eo being duped by a fake girlfriend and that he wasn't honest about it. I dont care about a bad performance in the championship game. I dont care that he and Minter ran 4.80 40's. I would still take them at 17 and never look back.

I have seen enough of both of these guys to know they are solid football players. Guys that I believe will be even better in the NFL. If you look at Minter's 15 tackles for loss this past year and T'eo's 13.5 two years ago when he played at 255 it tells me that they both play fast on the football field. Think about it. They are coming from 5-7 yards off the line of scrimmage and racking up those numbers in the opponents back field? I believe these two would excel in Le Beau's 3-4 next to Timmons.

Put me down for DeAndre Hopkins (4.57), and Terrance Williams (4.52), as well. Both didn't run great 40's but both played great on the field.

Well, if you wanted either one of these guys to be a consideration for us at 17, then you got your wish if that is what they timed (haven't watched it yet). For an ILB to be drafted in the first round, you gotta put on a Patrick Willis-type exhibition of athleticism. And primarily, your speed determines that (because speed tells them whether you should be able to play three-downs, play outside potentially, etc.)

If Te'o is the player we would like him to be (a poorman's Ray Lewis), then you got your wish. He's there for the picking. Cuz 4.8 is f'n horrendous time for a 22-year old LB prospect.

[Dee Dub]

Well, if you wanted either one of these guys to be a consideration for us at 17, then you got your wish if that is what they timed (haven't watched it yet). For an ILB to be drafted in the first round, you gotta put on a Patrick Willis-type exhibition of athleticism. And primarily, your speed determines that (because speed tells them whether you should be able to play three-downs, play outside potentially, etc.)

If Te'o is the player we would like him to be (a poorman's Ray Lewis), then you got your wish. He's there for the picking. Cuz 4.8 is f'n horrendous time for a 22-year old LB prospect.

Go look up what Patrick Willis did the past two seasons (stats). Very average. and he is now no longer a 3 down LB.

And then tell us how you get 15 and 13.5 tackles for loss as an ILB if you play slow on the football field. The 40 times for this position is really not as important as quickness and anticipation. Both T'eo and Minter are very quick on the football field.

[Dee Dub]

Terrell Suggs ran a 4.84 40 and Vontaze Burfict ran a 4.93. It's what you do for 10 yards...not 40 yards.

[steelerkeylargo]

Check out the 10 yard split on Lemonier

[Dee Dub]

Check out the 10 yard split on Lemonier

Dont need too. I saw him play. I think he is great value in the mid-late second round but buyer beware. His play dropped out dramatically this past year. That means more to me than his 10 yard split.

[NorthCoast]

I dont care what anyone has to say. I don't care about any issue with T'eo being duped by a fake girlfriend and that he wasn't honest about it. I dont care about a bad performance in the championship game. I dont care that he and Minter ran 4.80 40's. I would still take them at 17 and never look back.

I have seen enough of both of these guys to know they are solid football players. Guys that I believe will be even better in the NFL. If you look at Minter's 15 tackles for loss this past year and T'eo's 13.5 two years ago when he played at 255 it tells me that they both play fast on the football field. Think about it. They are coming from 5-7 yards off the line of scrimmage and racking up those numbers in the opponents back field? I believe these two would excel in Le Beau's 3-4 next to Timmons.

Put me down for DeAndre Hopkins (4.57), and Terrance Williams (4.52), as well. Both didn't run great 40's but both played great on the field.

Let me ask; why would you draft him at #17 when analysts are now saying he'll drop to early rd 2 based on the combine? Why not trade down, get extra picks and grab him later?

[Dee Dub]

Let me ask; why would you draft him at #17 when analysts are now saying he'll drop to early rd 2 based on the combine? Why not trade down, get extra picks and grab him later?

I dont agree with that. I think both Minter and T'eo have a good chance of being picked by Green Bay at 26 and Baltimore at 32.

[Dee Dub]

T'eo had a solid 20 yard shuttle at 4.27. Quicker than Alec Olgetree (4.39), and Sio Moore (4.31). And T'eo also had a better 3 cone drill than Alec Ogletree. These are a better barometers for an ILB than a 40 yard dash to me.

[Shoe]

Go look up what Patrick Willis did the past two seasons (stats). Very average. and he is now no longer a 3 down LB.

And then tell us how you get 15 and 13.5 tackles for loss as an ILB if you play slow on the football field. The 40 times for this position is really not as important as quickness and anticipation. Both T'eo and Minter are very quick on the football field.

I'm talking about when he came out. And I'm not doubting their oustanding production. But I will tell you that there are loads of guys who were awesome producers at the college level... it doesn't make them worthy of a first-round pick. I'll bet you Larry Foote (Big Ten DPOY) had similar stats, along with a comparable 40 time. Foote was had in the 5th round pick (or whatever it was).

[Dee Dub]

I'm talking about when he came out. And I'm not doubting their oustanding production. But I will tell you that there are loads of guys who were awesome producers at the college level... it doesn't make them worthy of a first-round pick. I'll bet you Larry Foote (Big Ten DPOY) had similar stats, along with a comparable 40 time. Foote was had in the 5th round pick (or whatever it was).

I would bet my house that Larry Foote never had a season in which he had 13.5 tackles for loss. Or one in which he had 7 INT's. Big difference.

[Eddie Spaghetti]

you would have to absolutely be nuts to even think about this guy at 1:17.

like fake dead girlfriend nuts.

[Dee Dub]

you would have to absolutely be nuts to even think about this guy at 1:17.

like fake dead girlfriend nuts.

Call me nuts then. This kid was wrecking havoc in the opponents backfield 2 and 3 years ago as a downhill thumper at 255lbs. They asked him to drop some weight and work on his pass coverage and he did to the tune of 7 INT's. Many people are going to regret they missed on him.

From Peter King..


4. Notre Dame linebacker Manti Te'o made a very good first impression on the NFL. No way the second- or third-rated inside linebacker gets to the bottom of the round now, in the wake of the fake girlfriend story. I can't see him lasting past Cincinnati at 21. "Unbelievable kid,'' is how one interviewer for a team described him Sunday night. "Everybody in our room fell in love with him." More about him in a few moments.

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[Dee Dub]

Oh and let me add, which I already said several times before, I'd jump all over Matt Barkley if I were a team that needed a QB. He is going to be a franchise QB. And many are going to miss on him too.