Post game SB interviews revealed why Ravens are better: chemistry

[lloydroid]

Give you a hint- it has nothing to do with Ben, Wallace, Woodley or Mendenhall.

Oh, on the contrary, when your team leaders are not a unified part of the team, they very much are a big cause of team lacking chemistry. You just know that both Mendenhall and Wallace were griping into teammates ears about how bad the coaching and front office suck and that rubs off and leads to a lack of unity. You don't think so? If you have ever been part of a team (athletic or other) you'd know that a handful of bad apples complaining about things leads to bad chemistry.

[lloydroid]

IMO chemistry is the RESULT of success, not the CAUSE of success.

It's easy to "love" each other when you're winning.

Not true. When Pgh made their runs in 2005 and 2008, they experienced a lot of adversity before they found themselves and righted the ship. Chemistry came before success did, to a big degree.

[Sugar]

Oh, on the contrary, when your team leaders are not a unified part of the team, they very much are a big cause of team lacking chemistry. You just know that both Mendenhall and Wallace were griping into teammates ears about how bad the coaching and front office suck and that rubs off and leads to a lack of unity. You don't think so? If you have ever been part of a team (athletic or other) you'd know that a handful of bad apples complaining about things leads to bad chemistry.

Did you record these conversations when you were in the locker room/practice field hearing these things?

[Chadman]

Did you record these conversations when you were in the locker room/practice field hearing these things?

"fo wheel.."

[lloydroid]

Did you record these conversations when you were in the locker room/practice field hearing these things?

Do you know how to perceive the abundantly obvious?

[Sugar]

Do you know how to perceive the abundantly obvious?

I sure do. That's why I was thinking that you must have had some additional information because what you were saying was NOT abundantly obvious.

[supersteeler]

Joey Porter was OUR Ray Lewis, heck he told ray to get out of the bus so he could kick his arse.
Joey was missed in that regard, so where is our next Jpeezy?

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[lloydroid]

I sure do. That's why I was thinking that you must have had some additional information because what you were saying was NOT abundantly obvious.

Hmmm, so a guy who is under contract blows off all team activities until the season starts and when he does show up, he gives less than a half effort and mops around every where, drops easy balls, laughs when he drops TD passes, won't bend over to catch ball below his waist....and you think he was doing a bang up job in team unity? Another player fumbles balls all the time and got so jaded at one point he didn't even show up on game day. And in your judgment, that guy was, simultaneously to all that, offering strong team unity as well? What color is the sky in "Oblivious Land?"

[Sugar]

Joey Porter was OUR Ray Lewis, heck he told ray to get out of the bus so he could kick his arse.
Joey was missed in that regard, so where is our next Jpeezy?

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I've wondered that myself. Our top D playmakers (Troy/Deebo) are both cold-blooded assassins, not smack talkers. I thought maybe Woodley might be that guy, but he kind of fell off last year.

[Sugar]

Hmmm, so a guy who is under contract blows off all team activities until the season starts and when he does show up, he gives less than a half effort and mops around every where, drops easy balls, laughs when he drops TD passes, won't bend over to catch ball below his waist....and you think he was doing a bang up job in team unity? Another player fumbles balls all the time and got so jaded at one point he didn't even show up on game day. And in your judgment, that guy was, simultaneously to all that, offering strong team unity as well? What color is the sky in "Oblivious Land?"

I'm not sure who you are talking about for the first guy. Since you called out Wallace earlier I thought you might mean him but he didn't blow off any team activities while under contract. He also led the team in TD's even though he had a down year. I'm also guessing the next guy is RM since you called him out earlier too. I would have no idea how either of them contributed, or not, to team unity. I'm not the one claiming that they were saying divisive things to their team mates. That's why I was asking for whatever evidence you had that showed that they were. Baron Batch had a crappy year too, but you don't seem to be saying that he was being divisive.

[lloydroid]

I'm not sure who you are talking about for the first guy. Since you called out Wallace earlier I thought you might mean him but he didn't blow off any team activities while under contract. He also led the team in TD's even though he had a down year. I'm also guessing the next guy is RM since you called him out earlier too. I would have no idea how either of them contributed, or not, to team unity. I'm not the one claiming that they were saying divisive things to their team mates. That's why I was asking for whatever evidence you had that showed that they were. Baron Batch had a crappy year too, but you don't seem to be saying that he was being divisive.

There is a vast difference between a crappy year and being so disgruntled that you fail to even show up for game day. So, in your world when a team deactivates the starting RB for reasons other than an injury, that it's a sign that the player must have a really great team attitude? And then when same player doesn't even physically show up for game day, it is more evidence of showcasing team unity?

Seriously. You don't see these cases of obvious wet turd attitudes? You are oblivious to seeing the obvious?

[Sugar]

There is a vast difference between a crappy year and being so disgruntled that you fail to even show up for game day. So, in your world when a team deactivates the starting RB for reasons other than an injury, that it's a sign that the player must have a really great team attitude? And then when same player doesn't even physically show up for game day, it is more evidence of showcasing team unity?

Seriously. You don't see these cases of obvious wet turd attitudes? You are oblivious to seeing the obvious?

Yes, there is a vast difference between a crappy year and being disgruntled. This starting RB had a crappy game and got benched. It says nothing about his team attitude. Tomlin had gotten better performance out of him in the past when he benched him and brought him back, so that wasn't without precedent.

You still haven't shown your evidence that RM or MW were saying bad things about the coaching or organization to their team mates.

[supersteeler]

It's too bad things didn't work out for us with Mendy and Wallace. Wallace wanted more than the Steelers were willing to pay, while Mendy had injuries that set him back.
I think both these guys will help another team and play well, no matter if you like them or not, they have talent and talent costs money that some team will be willing to pay for.

[lloydroid]

It's too bad things didn't work out for us with Mendy and Wallace. Wallace wanted more than the Steelers were willing to pay, while Mendy had injuries that set him back.
I think both these guys will help another team and play well, no matter if you like them or not, they have talent and talent costs money that some team will be willing to pay for.

Yes, both will be on someone's roster, but BOTH screwed up big time in terms of how large a contract they will NOW get coming off a season where they were "down" with poor attitudes. Talent yes, but bad tudes bring their value down, without question.

[lloydroid]

Yes, there is a vast difference between a crappy year and being disgruntled. This starting RB had a crappy game and got benched. It says nothing about his team attitude. Tomlin had gotten better performance out of him in the past when he benched him and brought him back, so that wasn't without precedent.

You still haven't shown your evidence that RM or MW were saying bad things about the coaching or organization to their team mates.

This isn't a court of law; the obvious writing on the wall is good enough to realize what the truth is.