Pro Football Focus ranks Steelers O-line 25th

[BigRob]

25. Pittsburgh Steelers (25)PB – 24th, RB – 30th, PEN – 18th


Stud: The best player on this line is Maurkice Pouncey (+5.4), though that speaks volumes about this line and less about him. He does his job, but unlike a lot of linemen in this league he doesn’t pop out on tape as someone who makes a massive difference.


Dud: It’s nice to have a player who can play a number of positions, but the Steelers faithful must be hoping they don’t see an awful lot more of Doug Legursky (-10.5).


Summary: Try as they might, the Steelers can’t field a line that can pass protect and open up lanes. That’s despite a significant recent investment of early-round draft picks. That said, this line was never about 2012, and hopefully a healthy unit next year will justify the hope.

I know some don't like PFF, but they are usually pretty spot on. A lot of the NFL teams use their analytics.

I think they pretty much have it right, this line has some potential in the future, but it was still bad this year due to injuries, etc..

[Eddie Spaghetti]

but legursky is such a beast in the weight room!!!

[Oviedo]

25th but let's run out and draft defensive players. This is why the offense is inconsistent and ineffective and until this is really fixed it will stay that way.

[Eddie Spaghetti]

25th but let's run out and draft defensive players. This is why the offense is inconsistent and ineffective and until this is really fixed it will stay that way.

we have spent 4 premium picks on the OL in 3 years.

[SS Laser]

I wonder if there in the 1st rd a LT is needed to replace Starks. More Gilbert to OG. Leave Adams at RT. Legs seems fine at back up center. Beachum can back up LT/RT maybe guard also. Did the Steelers take Gilbert as a T or G?

[Jooser]

we have spent 4 premium picks on the OL in 3 years.

EXACTLY! Time to put up!

[feltdizz]

we have spent 4 premium picks on the OL in 3 years.

exactly... we have a bunch of young guys on the OL, coaching and conditioning are the only problems IMO.

[Keyplay1]

I know some don't like PFF, but they are usually pretty spot on. A lot of the NFL teams use their analytics.

I think they pretty much have it right, this line has some potential in the future, but it was still bad this year due to injuries, etc..

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A few years ago they ranked Ike Taylor #70. I jiggled the numbers a bit and think I proved Ike was a more valuable player than N. Asomugha?? How the Eagles doing lately??

They do a good job in viewing each play but they are weak in interpreting what they see. Not saying they missed the mark with the OL.

I rank them #2 in research and #5 in analysis. Uhh! There are only a few sites that do that advanced research type thing.

[Oviedo]

we have spent 4 premium picks on the OL in 3 years.

But has it worked? Good intentions don't block the pass rushers or open holes in the defensive line. Until we see any of those players drafted excel as far as I'm concerned the problem isn't fixed. You have to look at this on how it is actually working not what past actions you took to fix it.

[BigRob]

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A few years ago they ranked Ike Taylor #70. I jiggled the numbers a bit and think I proved Ike was a more valuable player than N. Asomugha?? How the Eagles doing lately??

They do a good job in viewing each play but they are weak in interpreting what they see. Not saying they missed the mark with the OL.

I rank them #2 in research and #5 in analysis. Uhh! There are only a few sites that do that advanced research type thing.

Yeah what year was that? Ike had sub par years in 2006 and 2009. They ranked him pretty highly this year along with Keenan Lewis. This was accurate as both has great years.

What's your point? They do a great job charting plays and players. This is invaluable in many regards.

[phillyesq]

But has it worked? Good intentions don't block the pass rushers or open holes in the defensive line. Until we see any of those players drafted excel as far as I'm concerned the problem isn't fixed. You have to look at this on how it is actually working not what past actions you took to fix it.

Gilbert and Adams only combined for something like 10 games this year. I would like to see Starks retained so that there is depth and competition at OT, but I supsect that the two second round OTs will open the season as starters. DeCastro also missed most of the year and was just getting his feet wet; I think we all anticipate improvement from him next year. Whether Foster, Colon or whoever else, you can get by with an adequate guard if the rest of the o-line is capable.

I'd most certainly rather not see Beachum or Legursky starting.

[Eddie Spaghetti]

Gilbert and Adams only combined for something like 10 games this year. I would like to see Starks retained so that there is depth and competition at OT, but I supsect that the two second round OTs will open the season as starters. DeCastro also missed most of the year and was just getting his feet wet; I think we all anticipate improvement from him next year. Whether Foster, Colon or whoever else, you can get by with an adequate guard if the rest of the o-line is capable.

I'd most certainly rather not see Beachum or Legursky starting.

my point exactly. We can't keep throwing 1st round picks at one section of your football team.

these guys have to step up and produce.

[Keyplay1]

Yeah what year was that? Ike had sub par years in 2006 and 2009. They ranked him pretty highly this year along with Keenan Lewis. This was accurate as both has great years.

What's your point? They do a great job charting plays and players. This is invaluable in many regards.

That would probably be the year he left Oakland.[2010] He was a big item on the FA market that year.

My point is that a number of stats go into the final ranking of a player. How they are weighted is arguable. I thought Ike was penalized for being targeted a bushel of times. Meanwhile NA was only thrown at 28 times that year and 75% of those passes were completed. It did not seem to concern them they seemed interested in the few times he was targeted. Also Ike had a lower YAC than NA that year. This to me indicated Ike just might be a better tackler. It did not phase them one bit etc. etc. Unfortunately, I think they are now a pay site so I don't go there anymore and cannot check the numbers.

I don't usually dig deep into stats much, but that year I got PO'd because thread after thread was going on and of course all wanted TS to get NA. Fine he is a good player no doubt but when someone offered that years #1, the following years #2 etc and then threw Ike in for good measure that was the last straw.


My point is and maybe you will agree , some stats can be more revealing than others. For example. Team A rushes 500 times for 1800 yards. Team B rushes 300 times for 1500 yards. Which team has done a better job?

They do a great job charting plays and players. This is invaluable in many regards. Absolutely. But then it up to the evaluator.

[pfelix73]

I wonder if there in the 1st rd a LT is needed to replace Starks. More Gilbert to OG. Leave Adams at RT. Legs seems fine at back up center. Beachum can back up LT/RT maybe guard also. Did the Steelers take Gilbert as a T or G?

They originally drafted him to be the heir apparent to Starks. LT.

[BigRob]

That would probably be the year he left Oakland.[2010] He was a big item on the FA market that year.

My point is that a number of stats go into the final ranking of a player. How they are weighted is arguable. I thought Ike was penalized for being targeted a bushel of times. Meanwhile NA was only thrown at 28 times that year and 75% of those passes were completed. It did not seem to concern them they seemed interested in the few times he was targeted. Also Ike had a lower YAC than NA that year. This to me indicated Ike just might be a better tackler. It did not phase them one bit etc. etc. Unfortunately, I think they are now a pay site so I don't go there anymore and cannot check the numbers.

I don't usually dig deep into stats much, but that year I got PO'd because thread after thread was going on and of course all wanted TS to get NA. Fine he is a good player no doubt but when someone offered that years #1, the following years #2 etc and then threw Ike in for good measure that was the last straw.


My point is and maybe you will agree , some stats can be more revealing than others. For example. Team A rushes 500 times for 1800 yards. Team B rushes 300 times for 1500 yards. Which team has done a better job?

They do a great job charting plays and players. This is invaluable in many regards. Absolutely. But then it up to the evaluator.

I agree its harder to apply it to a position like corner, but I think it is better applied to o-line and d-line.