And With the 17th Overall Pick, the Steelers Choose....

[Dee Dub]

Alec Ogletree

I like Ogletree but if I were an opposing team with Olgetree and Timmons in the middle, I'd just run right at them all day long.

[Dee Dub]

I guess I wouldn't know, I never have long term "relationships" with people I've never met and then lie about it repeatedly to cover it up. I know the kid was more than likely being blackmailed, but he should never have put himself in that position. It's that lack of judgment that is a red flag for me as to his draft stock.

You just described more than half of our young people in our world. But regardless you think because he used poor judgment in a relationship that makes him not a good draft pick?

Was Laurinaitis a first round pick? Nope, and neither is Te'o.

MLB'ers being limited is what makes them traditionally second round picks, even the best ones.

Please stop comparing Te'o to Lewis. Not a good comparison. Ray Lewis had a rare amount of fire in his belly even as a college player. All Te'o has is catfish.

I would compare Minter more favorably to Lewis than Te'o. Minter excelled against the best competition in the land. Doesn't make him a first rounder either.

We were talking about skill set-wise, not what is in their belly. Te'o and Lewis coming out of college, very similar skill sets.

Now you know I love Minter but if you are going to use SEC competition, let's also allude to the fact that he was surrounded with blue-chip talent on his defense. Maybe 4 first rounders he played with?

[Shawn]

I like Ogletree but if I were an opposing team with Olgetree and Timmons in the middle, I'd just run right at them all day long.

ogletree is strong against the run.

[Dee Dub]

Gil Brandt thinks he's a first rounder. In fact Rob you are the only one I have heard that says he isn't a first round pick.

12) Manti Te'o, LB, Notre Dame: Te'o finished his senior season with 113 tackles and seven interceptions (that latter number is unheard of for a linebacker). He did not play well in the BCS Championship Game, but [URL="http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000123757/article/manti-teo-still-firstround-pick-despite-rough-bcs-title-game"]everything he's done in his career at Notre Dame[/URL] overrides that.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/0ap1000000126798/article/luke-joeckel-bjoern-werner-headline-2013-nfl-draft-prospects

[Dee Dub]

ogletree is strong against the run.

Laterally yes but at the point of attack, no.

[Dee Dub]

ogletree is strong against the run.

...and I would think that what is best for the Steelers is to have a player next to Timmons who compliments him. One who has a strength that he doesn't have. Not one with a similar skill set. I have said since late September that I feel as if there are two ILB in this draft who fit that bill. Manti Te'o and Kevin Minter.

[Shawn]

...and I would think that what is best for the Steelers is to have a player next to Timmons who compliments him. One who has a strength that he doesn't have. Not one with a similar skill set. I have said since late September that I feel as if there are two ILB in this draft who fit that bill. Manti Te'o and Kevin Minter.

Ogletree is the most athletic ILB in the draft, fast, strong good against the run and pass...don't see why that is a bad thing. If you want a traditional thumper type go with Zack Boren in the 5th.

[Shawn]

Laterally yes but at the point of attack, no.

ill take Ogletree at the poa anyway over T'eo.

[Shoe]

Any chance that you all are buying in to another one of this guy's acts/lies? I'm sorry, but I'm more jaded than to think that a 22-year old kid with unlimited midwestern co-ed tang at his beck & call, would be so gullible to fall for some long-term internet relationship where he never got to sniff the tang, not one bit. You gotta try hard to believe that.

[hawaiiansteel]

ill take Ogletree at the poa anyway over T'eo.

Ogletree was suspended for the first 4 games of this past season for marijuana use. I realize we drafted Mike Adams even though he was also a known pot smoker but after what happened with Ta'amu and Rainey this past season I think Ogletree will be off our draft board.

[Shawn]

Here is Ogletree against Alabama...he had a big game against NFL talent.

[url]http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AZy_y0on4u8[/url]

While his strength isn't thumping...he is electric...could even put him at OLB. Gotta love a linebacker that fast and athletic.

[Shawn]

Ogletree was suspended for the first 4 games of this past season for marijuana use. I realize we drafted Mike Adams even though he was also a known pot smoker but after what happened with Ta'amu and Rainey this past season I think Ogletree will be off our draft board.

Ugh...didn't know that. Yeah, that will hurt his chances to be a Steeler.

[Dee Dub]

Ogletree is the most athletic ILB in the draft, fast, strong good against the run and pass...don't see why that is a bad thing. If you want a traditional thumper type go with Zack Boren in the 5th.

I agree with that. Olgetree is a beast but I would prefer a more traditional run stuffer (Te'o/Minter), along with a cover linebacker (Timmons).

[Dee Dub]

ill take Ogletree at the poa anyway over T'eo.

Not me. I'm not jaded by one game. I saw Te'o a lot over the past 4 years and he is better coming forward than Ogletree is. Olgetree is a great pursuit player but coming forward is a different story.

[feltdizz]

Any chance that you all are buying in to another one of this guy's acts/lies? I'm sorry, but I'm more jaded than to think that a 22-year old kid with unlimited midwestern co-ed tang at his beck & call, would be so gullible to fall for some long-term internet relationship where he never got to sniff the tang, not one bit. You gotta try hard to believe that.

This kid was talking to a guy faking a female voice. Im sorry but this Teo kid has bust written all over him. He is average physically and his instincts are suspect.