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  • SidSmythe
    Hall of Famer
    • Sep 2008
    • 4708

    Why Can't the Steelers............

    Why Can't the Steelers develop and plug in players like the Patriots do???

    Seems like no matter who the Pats put on the field they can still win.
    Doesn't matter how many times they've been cut, where they were drafted......they just win.

    Rob Nincovich??? Drated in the 5th, cut by the Saints....goes to Dolphins, then back to Saints. Now he's all over the field with the Patriots!!
    Here We Go Steelers, Here We Go...
    Here We Go Steelers, Here We Go...
    Here We Go Steelers, Here We Go...!!!
  • birtikidis
    Hall of Famer
    • May 2008
    • 4628

    #2
    It all starts up front on both sides of the ball. You see wilfork? He owns the line right now and the o line get a push every play

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    • flippy
      Legend
      • Dec 2008
      • 17088

      #3
      I think a lot has to do with Brady being that much better than Ben with his pre snap reads. Brady attacks every matchup advantage. He does it quickly. And he'll snap the ball in a split second if the D is confused or slow in any way.

      On the flip side, their D yardage rankings suffer. But who cares when you can put that much pressure on another team. Their D is aggressive and fights for turnovers and takes chances.

      It's a whole different philosophy. We'd have to adjust our D as well to do what the Pats do. And we might need a different QB.
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      • BURGH86STEEL
        Legend
        • May 2008
        • 6921

        #4
        Because the Pats have Tom Brady.

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        • 7 UP
          Starter
          • Nov 2011
          • 878

          #5
          Originally posted by SidSmythe
          Why Can't the Steelers develop and plug in players like the Patriots do???

          !
          We used to. We arent hitting on many of our mid-round picks at all in recent years.

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          • Chadman
            Legend
            • May 2008
            • 6537

            #6
            It's an excellent question- they seem to get excellent production from moderate skill players all the time.

            The answer is probably a combination of the things mentioned in here already- the Patriots put a lot of emphasis on both Lines in the draft. The result is they often dominate on both sides. This allows the lesser skill players more room to do what they can do, without having to worry about blockers, or defenders in the backfield.

            Tom Brady is excellent at the LOS too. His reads of play are out of this world. The result is, that system seems to chug along with ease.

            Their F.O., if you remove the cheating, is one of the best. They identify quality players that fit a system. All the players seem to know their role, the importance of doing their role. It's a well run machine.

            And, as much as it pains Chadman to say it- they are inovators. One step ahead at all times. Which team first spread the Steelers Defense out, taking away the constant pass rush pressure, opening up holes, & gave up on running against us?

            the Patriots.

            Which team made everyone scratch their heads & wonder if there was any kind of plan involved in drafting both Gronkowski & Hernandez in the same draft? Who drafts 2 TE's early? Idiots!

            Oh.... that'd be the Patriots too.

            They are a step ahead, and not only because of sneaky videos.
            The people that are trying to make the world worse never take a day off, why should I?

            Light up the darkness.

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            • JB13
              Rookie
              • Dec 2012
              • 45

              #7
              This game against the Texans is a prime example of the chasm that exist between the Steelers and the Patriots and, more specifically, Tomlin and Belichick.

              1) Brady has all day to throw
              2) Patriots don't turn the ball over and play FAST - forcing the opposing defense to adapt
              3) Danny Woodhead goes down, they have a highly serviceable replacement who plays smart and with urgency - the replacement is not a liability
              4) Patriots D - their coverage is tight and they find a way to put pressure on the QB and force him to make poor decisions
              5) Pats in-game adjustments force the Texans to adjust
              6) Guys you never heard of are making plays and having an impact - like Vereen, the aforementioned Ninkovich, and others
              7) Even if their D gives up a lot of yards, they are super tough in the red zone and because their offense is so good, teams know they are going to need to score a lot of points to win, so they take chances they shouldn't and play outside their strengths

              Belichick just gets it. I wish we had 25% of the savvy and smarts the Patriots have. They are ready every week and you have to play your best to beat them. Can't say the same about the Steelers.

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              • SidSmythe
                Hall of Famer
                • Sep 2008
                • 4708

                #8
                Originally posted by JB13
                This game against the Texans is a prime example of the chasm that exist between the Steelers and the Patriots and, more specifically, Tomlin and Belichick.

                1) Brady has all day to throw
                2) Patriots don't turn the ball over and play FAST - forcing the opposing defense to adapt
                3) Danny Woodhead goes down, they have a highly serviceable replacement who plays smart and with urgency - the replacement is not a liability
                4) Patriots D - their coverage is tight and they find a way to put pressure on the QB and force him to make poor decisions
                5) Pats in-game adjustments force the Texans to adjust
                6) Guys you never heard of are making plays and having an impact - like Vereen, the aforementioned Ninkovich, and others
                7) Even if their D gives up a lot of yards, they are super tough in the red zone and because their offense is so good, teams know they are going to need to score a lot of points to win, so they take chances they shouldn't and play outside their strengths

                Belichick just gets it. I wish we had 25% of the savvy and smarts the Patriots have. They are ready every week and you have to play your best to beat them. Can't say the same about the Steelers.
                $$$$$$
                Vereen was another one of those guys who came to my mind.
                Here We Go Steelers, Here We Go...
                Here We Go Steelers, Here We Go...
                Here We Go Steelers, Here We Go...!!!

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                • SteelBucks
                  Legend
                  • Aug 2008
                  • 8075

                  #9
                  Originally posted by SidSmythe
                  Why Can't the Steelers develop and plug in players like the Patriots do???

                  Seems like no matter who the Pats put on the field they can still win.
                  Doesn't matter how many times they've been cut, where they were drafted......they just win.

                  Rob Nincovich??? Drated in the 5th, cut by the Saints....goes to Dolphins, then back to Saints. Now he's all over the field with the Patriots!!
                  There are 31 other teams asking the same question...

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                  • Mister Pittsburgh
                    Hall of Famer
                    • Jul 2008
                    • 3674

                    #10
                    How many timing patterns where Brady drops back and throws to a spot do you see Brady throw a game? 20? You see Ben throw zero unless it is a stay pattern. You telling me Wallace couldn't run 10 yds down field with a CB giving a 10 yd cushion and starting to backpedal at the snap and turn on a dime only to find a Big Ben rifled pass waiting for him?

                    Why don't we run more timing patterns? Ben? WR's? Stupid OC's? Directives from the front office?
                    Last edited by Mister Pittsburgh; 01-13-2013, 09:55 PM.
                    @_Hellgrammite

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                    • focosteeler
                      Starter
                      • May 2010
                      • 760

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Mister Pittsburgh
                      How many timing patterns where Brady drops back and throws to a spot do you see Brady throw a game? 20? You see Ben throw zero unless it is a stay pattern. You telling me Wallace couldn't run 10 yds down field with a CB giving a 10 yd cushion and starting to backpedal at the snap and turn on a dime only to find a Big Ben rifled pass waiting for him?

                      Why don't we run more timing patterns? Ben? WR's? Stupid OC's? Directives from the front office?
                      Probably ben. Why run timing patterns when Ben will hold the ball too long waiting for the homerun shot.
                      1. CB – Marcus Peters – Washington – 6/190
                      2. OG – Josue Matias – Florida State – 6-6/320
                      3. OLB – Geneo Grissom – Oklahoma – 6-4/250
                      4. DL – Ellis McCarthy – UCLA – 6-5/330
                      5. TE – Jeff Heurman – Ohio State – 6-5/255
                      6. FS – Adrian Amos – Penn State – 6/200
                      7. DT – Terry Williams – East Carolina – 6-1/340

                      UDFA
                      DB – Justin Cox – Mississippi St. – 6-2/190
                      OLB – Davis Tull – Chattanooga – 6-2/242

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                      • squidkid
                        Legend
                        • Feb 2012
                        • 5847

                        #12
                        coaching,,
                        steelers = 3 ring circus with tomlin being the head clown

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                        • steeler_fan_in_t.o.
                          Legend
                          • May 2008
                          • 10281

                          #13
                          Originally posted by JB13
                          3) Danny Woodhead goes down, they have a highly serviceable replacement who plays smart and with urgency - the replacement is not a liability
                          I disagree here. I think that every Steeler RB played just as good as the others.
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                          • Mister Pittsburgh
                            Hall of Famer
                            • Jul 2008
                            • 3674

                            #14
                            I heard the Pats TE say in a post game interview that they keep trucking if someone goes down because each of them know all the offensive positions.
                            @_Hellgrammite

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                            • lloydroid
                              Pro Bowler
                              • Aug 2012
                              • 2026

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Mister Pittsburgh
                              I heard the Pats TE say in a post game interview that they keep trucking if someone goes down because each of them know all the offensive positions.
                              Yea, and our team says kind of the same thing: Next man up. The standard is the standard. But that crap only flies for so long. We were on our what? 4th of 5th OT at one point? 4th string RB? A CB who we signed off the street actually started?

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