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  • Crash
    Legend
    • Apr 2009
    • 5008

    #16
    Originally posted by blitz71burgh71
    The O ranked #1 in Time of Possession
    points per game 22
    And when they rank 20th in starting field position, and near the bottom in turnovers forced? You aren't going to score 30 points a game.

    Simply takes too much time off the clock when you go 75-80 for the majority of the points you score.

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    • bowldog
      Benchwarmer
      • Jan 2013
      • 54

      #17
      We had #1 D in yards and #5 in scoring D. Defense overall was not the problem. Offensive inconsistency is the problem.CHALLENGE - we had 8 losses this season Can we think of no more than 8 plays/incidents that could have turned 4 of those losses into wins?

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      • phillyesq
        Legend
        • May 2008
        • 7568

        #18
        Originally posted by Crash
        And when they rank 20th in starting field position, and near the bottom in turnovers forced? You aren't going to score 30 points a game.

        Simply takes too much time off the clock when you go 75-80 for the majority of the points you score.
        A lot of the blame for field position rests with the special teams. The penalties from that unit often left the Steelers with bad field position.

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        • Crash
          Legend
          • Apr 2009
          • 5008

          #19
          Yep. That too. And giving up a first down then getting a punt, followed by the penalty.

          Fantasy football has killed football logic.

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          • blitz71burgh71
            Backup
            • Aug 2012
            • 110

            #20
            And the Patriots were less then 2 min's in top behind Steelers but scored over 30 points a game

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            • Crash
              Legend
              • Apr 2009
              • 5008

              #21
              Originally posted by bowldog
              We had #1 D in yards and #5 in scoring D. Defense overall was not the problem. Offensive inconsistency is the problem.CHALLENGE - we had 8 losses this season Can we think of no more than 8 plays/incidents that could have turned 4 of those losses into wins?
              Not blowing 4th quarter leads on defense would be nice.

              Not getting shredded by jokes like Carson Palmer and Matt Hasselbeck comes to mind.

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              • Oviedo
                Legend
                • May 2008
                • 23824

                #22
                Originally posted by blitz71burgh71
                How could the D rank #1 4 out of the past 6 year's or something like that if every one know's this Defence so well.
                Colt's D ranked 26th Steelers ranked 1
                Colt's O ranked 10 Steelers ranked 21

                To blame Dick LeBeau is foolish when it was clearly the o's fault.
                Which is why I'm sure you will fully support that we heavily invest in the offense in the upcoming draft. Typically those that blame the offense are the same ones who will say we need to draft Nose Tackles, Safeties and Inside Linebackers early in the draft.
                "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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                • supersteeler
                  Pro Bowler
                  • Dec 2012
                  • 1089

                  #23
                  Yep, the scope is out on the Steelers, people looking for another way for them to be better.
                  I have no issue with the 3-4, its been good for the Steelers for years and still is.

                  1. Get Healthy *



                  2. Good off season conditioning program



                  3. Replace deadwood



                  4. Let Omar do his miracle work in contracts *




                  5. Add some young talent via the draft





                  6. Convert Casey Hampton to FB.....jk


                  A healthy and conditioned Lamar Woodley could help our front seven, if we keep JH, and combine that with a dominate NT, this defense will be even better.

                  4-3 ? Na, Lets fix the inability of our offense to score *points or enough, then maybe we see some daylight.
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                  • Chadman
                    Legend
                    • May 2008
                    • 6537

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Crash
                    Not blowing 4th quarter leads on defense would be nice.

                    Not getting shredded by jokes like Carson Palmer and Matt Hasselbeck comes to mind.
                    Not getting shredded by these types of QB's & playing 3-4 vs 4-3 have little to do with eachother, though, right?
                    The people that are trying to make the world worse never take a day off, why should I?

                    Light up the darkness.

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                    • Crash
                      Legend
                      • Apr 2009
                      • 5008

                      #25
                      Who knows. I think the 4th quarter scheme stinks.

                      So if they switch to a 4-3, maybe they have to switch schemes in the 4th as well.

                      But I like the 3-4, when we use it, instead playing this passive crap we've been playing for two years.

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                      • phillyesq
                        Legend
                        • May 2008
                        • 7568

                        #26
                        Originally posted by Oviedo
                        Which is why I'm sure you will fully support that we heavily invest in the offense in the upcoming draft. Typically those that blame the offense are the same ones who will say we need to draft Nose Tackles, Safeties and Inside Linebackers early in the draft.
                        In the past few drafts, the Steelers premium picks (top 3 rounds) have skewed towards offense - 6 of 9 have been on offense.

                        Regardless of the front you want, the Steelers need youth at LB and S. I wouldn't draft a NT in the first round. For starters, Hampton played fewer snaps than the third CB this year.

                        On the offensive side, if Wallace leaves, the Steelers will need help at WR and they could use an addition to the backfield regardless of what happens with Mendenhall.

                        Plenty of room to improve on both sides of the ball.

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                        • SteelBucks
                          Legend
                          • Aug 2008
                          • 8075

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Chadman
                          Not getting shredded by these types of QB's & playing 3-4 vs 4-3 have little to do with eachother, though, right?
                          Drafting and signing better CB's/DB's would be a novel approach.

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                          • lloydroid
                            Pro Bowler
                            • Aug 2012
                            • 2026

                            #28
                            Originally posted by Chadman
                            Ok- consider Chadman to be dumb- but why will the 4-3 work better than the 3-4, exactly?
                            I give specific details in the original post. Please read.

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                            • lloydroid
                              Pro Bowler
                              • Aug 2012
                              • 2026

                              #29
                              Originally posted by supersteeler
                              Yep, the scope is out on the Steelers, people looking for another way for them to be better.
                              I have no issue with the 3-4, its been good for the Steelers for years and still is.

                              1. Get Healthy *



                              2. Good off season conditioning program



                              3. Replace deadwood



                              4. Let Omar do his miracle work in contracts *




                              5. Add some young talent via the draft





                              6. Convert Casey Hampton to FB.....jk


                              A healthy and conditioned Lamar Woodley could help our front seven, if we keep JH, and combine that with a dominate NT, this defense will be even better.

                              4-3 ? Na, Lets fix the inability of our offense to score *points or enough, then maybe we see some daylight.
                              The remaining problem with our system is it takes forever to get defenders up to speed - pretty much every position takes 2 years before players seem to get it, or, at least, the coaches feel that way as young guys don't get to play for 2 years after they are drafted. That sucks. And look at players like Woodley - although once productive, his body breaks down now, every year, from having to try to cover people. It's a waste of time, just let him rush the Gad Damn QB.

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                              • lloydroid
                                Pro Bowler
                                • Aug 2012
                                • 2026

                                #30
                                Originally posted by Crash
                                Who knows. I think the 4th quarter scheme stinks.

                                So if they switch to a 4-3, maybe they have to switch schemes in the 4th as well.

                                But I like the 3-4, when we use it, instead playing this passive crap we've been playing for two years.
                                It doesn't seem to matter if we play passive or not; when we do send in blitzers they don't get any pressure any how, so what's the difference? Sending more people to rush that do not get any pressure is counter-productive. It just means less people to cover while still not getting any pressure. It's broken.

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