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[papillon]

Manti is having a bad night along with the other 10 ND defenders. He is not only getting blocked, but he's made bad reads and crashed inside and the play went outside, he has struggled to get off blocks and when he has made a good read and shot a gap Lacy has run through his tackles. He is just having one of those games that you want to forget. On the other hand, I don't want the Steelers to draft him, maybe Lacy will declare and drop down to number 17, he would certainly be a good replacement for Mendenhall if the Steelers can't resign him. His legs are thick, he makes a decision and goes with it and he has nimble feet, love to see him in Black and Gold.

Pappy

[steelz09]

will his teammates help him actually wrap a tackle?

Exactly. Is it his teammates fault that Te'o bit on the playaction which caused the TE to be wide open in the endzone for a TD?

He was too worried about getting run over again by Lacy.

[Dee Dub]

the Alabama center Barrett Jones is manhandling ND's NT all by himself which is freeing up Alabama's OGs to get to the 2nd level and block the LBers.

hawaiian, dont waste your time trying to explain the game of football to these guys.

Dick Butkus in his prime would not have been able to shake Chance Warmack one on one at the second level.

[papillon]

hawaiian, dont waste your time trying to explain the game of football to these guys.

Dick Butkus in his prime would not have been able to shake Chance Warmack one on one at the second level.

Just out of curiosity how would you grade Te'o in tonight's game? I know he's your guy and the couple times I saw him play earlier in the season he played great and I thought he'll be a good ILB in the NFL. Tonight's game has to give you some cause for concern though playing against at least 3 offensive linemen that will be playing on Sunday in the near future.

Pappy

[Dee Dub]

Just out of curiosity how would you grade Te'o in tonight's game? I know he's your guy and the couple times I saw him play earlier in the season he played great and I thought he'll be a good ILB in the NFL. Tonight's game has to give you some cause for concern though playing against at least 3 offensive linemen that will be playing on Sunday in the near future.

Pappy

There's no question he played well below what he is capable of playing. He did not play very well at. I see couple of things here. This is the biggest game he has ever played in. He and his teammates have never played in a game of this magnitude. On the other side, for Alabama, this is the second time in back to back years that they have played a game like this. For a guy like Barrett Jones this is his 3rd one in 4 years. No excuses but not only was Notre Dame over-matched talent wise but they were also over-whelmed by the stage they were on. Alabama is not just a great college football team. They are going to go down as one of the greatest of all time.

It is my opinion that Manti Te'o would excel in a 3-4 defense. One in which the front 3 plug the gaps and allow him to flow to the ball. He could make splash plays if he is allowed to run at the ball carrier without having a 320 lb lineman coming at him. It is the reason Ray Lewis begged the Ravens to draft Hiloti Ngata.


Remember one thing about him playing against NFL type players tonight, when Te'o is in the NFL he will play on a defense that has NFL players around him. He really didnt have the same type of quality players around him at Notre Dame as Alabama had coming at him.

[Dee Dub]

Just out of curiosity how would you grade Te'o in tonight's game? I know he's your guy and the couple times I saw him play earlier in the season he played great and I thought he'll be a good ILB in the NFL. Tonight's game has to give you some cause for concern though playing against at least 3 offensive linemen that will be playing on Sunday in the near future.

Pappy

And I have no concern about him based on tonight's game. I believe in the NFL he is going to me a great football player.

[Chadman]

Tend to agree that Te'o shouldn't be discounted based on 1 poor game. There are many factors that go into failure- it's not always the end result that someone should be judged on.

Still, not certain that he'll be on the Steelers radar.

[Shawn]

Actually, I don't play golf anymore. There is a difference between being a team player and getting worked. Te'o and the entire ND defense is getting worked. No need to take it personally. Oh, and btw.. no need to curse.

hawaiian, dont waste your time trying to explain the game of football to these guys.

Dick Butkus in his prime would not have been able to shake Chance Warmack one on one at the second level.

i don't claim to be a football guru like yourself...but the last time I checked making a basic tackle was in the job description of a football player. That has nothing to do with Warmack or the other ND defenders. It is what it is...he had a bad game. Just wonder what it means for his stock in the draft.

[Oviedo]

There's no question he played well below what he is capable of playing. He did not play very well at. I see couple of things here. This is the biggest game he has ever played in. He and his teammates have never played in a game of this magnitude. On the other side, for Alabama, this is the second time in back to back years that they have played a game like this. For a guy like Barrett Jones this is his 3rd one in 4 years. No excuses but not only was Notre Dame over-matched talent wise but they were also over-whelmed by the stage they were on. Alabama is not just a great college football team. They are going to go down as one of the greatest of all time.

It is my opinion that Manti Te'o would excel in a 3-4 defense. One in which the front 3 plug the gaps and allow him to flow to the ball. He could make splash plays if he is allowed to run at the ball carrier without having a 320 lb lineman coming at him. It is the reason Ray Lewis begged the Ravens to draft Hiloti Ngata.


Remember one thing about him playing against NFL type players tonight, when Te'o is in the NFL he will play on a defense that has NFL players around him. He really didnt have the same type of quality players around him at Notre Dame as Alabama had coming at him.

I would disagree with the blame your putting on the Notre Dame DL. Probably everyone of those defensive linemen will be playing on Sundays sooner or later. That is a very highly regarded DL so T'eo's failures can't be put on them. He was bad all by himself.

The silver lining is that hopefully he was bad enough to be an option at #17. His times at the combine will determine where he gets slotted. If he can run near 4.5 he will be a Top 15 pick, however if he runs in the 4.8 range, as many expect, he will be in the lower half of the round.

[Steelhere10]

Like I said in a previous thread, my Co - worker is a big Nd fan and this is what he said about him
Overrated > check
Miss tackles > check
Take bad angles >check

[Chadman]

I would disagree with the blame your putting on the Notre Dame DL. Probably everyone of those defensive linemen will be playing on Sundays sooner or later. That is a very highly regarded DL so T'eo's failures can't be put on them. He was bad all by himself.

Agreed that there is some chance those ND DLinemen will make it to the NFL. It's not a question so much of the quality of the PLAYERS around Teó, more the quality of their play against the Alabama OL. It doesn't really matter if all the ND DL's are set to become Hall of Fame guys- if they were all dominated by the Alabama OL, it'll have the same effect on Teó's play as if they were all Pilsbury Doughboy's.

For LB's to shine, generally, it takes the guys in front of them to open up the field. It's generally the same principle for QB's & RB's... if their OL doesn't hold up, you could have Montana & Sanders back there- they won't be 'as good' as they should be.

Judging Teó on one game is a bad way to judge someone. His body of work suggests he's a quality player.

[feltdizz]

You gonna believe Dee or your lying eyes?

Anyone who followed this ND team and didn't get wrapped up in the NBC hype could see he was good but not Heisman worthy.

[ramblinjim]

I'm not a college football guy, I get most of my information on the draft here. But that Alabama offensive line looked like a group of all-pro's (that had played together for a couple of years) going against the practice squad. Te'o may be a great pro, may be a terrible pro but it didn't matter tonight. Alabama's offensive line was just that dominant.

[Chadman]

I'm not a college football guy, I get most of my information on the draft here. But that Alabama offensive line looked like a group of all-pro's (that had played together for a couple of years) going against the practice squad. Te'o may be a great pro, may be a terrible pro but it didn't matter tonight. Alabama's offensive line was just that dominant.

That's about as clear & to the point as it can be. Chadman agrees with this.

[feltdizz]

Agreed that there is some chance those ND DLinemen will make it to the NFL. It's not a question so much of the quality of the PLAYERS around Teó, more the quality of their play against the Alabama OL. It doesn't really matter if all the ND DL's are set to become Hall of Fame guys- if they were all dominated by the Alabama OL, it'll have the same effect on Teó's play as if they were all Pilsbury Doughboy's.

For LB's to shine, generally, it takes the guys in front of them to open up the field. It's generally the same principle for QB's & RB's... if their OL doesn't hold up, you could have Montana & Sanders back there- they won't be 'as good' as they should be.

Judging Teó on one game is a bad way to judge someone. His body of work suggests he's a quality player.

I've watched ND all year... good player but not a great player. Someone will take him in the top 15 and they will be disappointed. There are more Alabama RB's in the NFL than Purdue, Wake Forest and Navy RB's...