My offseason prediction for Mike Wallace

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  • Oviedo
    Legend
    • May 2008
    • 23824

    #46
    Originally posted by legend of polamalu
    Cant we put the franchise tag on wallace for the next 2 years? If so I would be in favor of this.
    Unfortunately, our cap situation would make this highly unlikely unless you say goodbye to Harrison, Troy and probably one other well paid veteran.
    "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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    • Chadman
      Legend
      • May 2008
      • 6537

      #47
      Entertaining a thought in which the Steelers have 2 highly paid WR's on the roster, given the current cap situation, is a waste of your time.

      The Steelers have their $6.2 million per year WR. It's all good. We don't need Mike Wallace. If that doesn't comfort you, just go back & watch the last quarter of the Dallas game...it'll ease your troubled heart.
      The people that are trying to make the world worse never take a day off, why should I?

      Light up the darkness.

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      • hawaiiansteel
        Legend
        • May 2008
        • 35649

        #48
        Mike Wallace: Whose Money Should Steelers Receiver Get?

        BY PETE MARTIN (FEATURED COLUMNIST) ON JANUARY 18, 2013



        If Pittsburgh Steelers receiver Mike Wallace isn’t worth “Larry Fitzgerald” money, then how much should the free-agent-to-be get in a new contract? How much is he really worth? The answers the team comes up with will define the 2013 offseason and may change the course of the upcoming campaign.

        The Steelers wideout made headlines during the 2012 offseason when he demanded a contract on par with the one Fitzgerald signed with Arizona in 2011 that pays the Cardinals star $16 million per year. Wallace’s comments signaled that the Steelers receiver expected a similarly huge deal from any team looking to sign him.

        Very few seemed to agree with Wallace’s perception of himself. The Steelers were clearly not impressed enough by the receiver’s estimation of his abilities to sit down at the table with the then-restricted free agent. Instead of negotiating, the team tendered Wallace and decided to revisit the issue when he became an unrestricted free agent after the 2012 season.

        Though Wallace’s contention that his play has been on par with that of Fitzgerald’s seems all the more ludicrous following a 2012 campaign that saw him finish well outside the top 25 in most receiving categories, that he said it is understandable in the broader context. NFL players do not exist in a vacuum. Teams and fans can quantify a player’s performance independent of what his peers do, but cannot qualify it without stacking it beside others at his position. Without context, there are no rankings. Without rankings, every contract would look the same.

        The problem with what Wallace said wasn’t that he said it. He and his agent were simply trying to frame the upcoming negotiations in a way that was favorable to their interests. In rejecting his demands, the team was doing the same.

        Wallace’s error was that he picked a player who simply isn’t his peer in any sense of the word.

        It’s not just that Fitzgerald was better when he was Wallace’s age. He was, of course. From age 23 to 26, the Cardinals receiver’s average Defense-adjusted Yards Above Replacement (DYAR), which measures a player’s cumulative value over that of a league-average replacement, was 311 per year. Since joining the league four years ago at age 23, Wallace average DYAR has been 261. Part of this difference can be explained by usage. Fitzgerald got about 50 percent more targets than the Steelers receiver during those four years.

        It’s also not simply that Fitzgerald was more consistent than the Steelers wideout during his early years. Though he was that as well. The average deviation of Fitzgerald’s DYAR from its mean was 120 yards less than Wallace’s, meaning his performances between the ages of 23 and 26 were far more predictably excellent. Not surprisingly, the Cardinals star never had a season during that period like Wallace did last year, when the Steelers receiver’s DYAR was -49.

        No, what really makes the comparison silly, regardless of the differences in output, is the fact that the two just bring very different things to the table. At risk of using a cliché, they are like apples and oranges.

        Even if Wallace had had as many targets as Fitzgerald did at his age, his numbers and his impact on the game would still be completely different. The Cardinals receiver is big and physical, a nightmare matchup for smaller cornerbacks. His Steelers counterpart is lankier but possesses game-breaking speed that Fitzgerald doesn’t have. The likes of Fitzgerald will always have more catches, but the Wallaces of the NFL will pile up more yards if given the same number of touches.

        So if not to Fitzgerald, then to whom should Wallace be compared? Like the Cardinals receiver, Roddy White, Brandon Marshall and Calvin Johnson are significantly bigger and more physical than the Steelers wideout, but lack his flat-out speed on deep routes. Also like Fitzgerald, they get a lot more usage than Wallace. For example, the percentage of the Bears’ passes that went to Marshall was twice as high as the Steelers receiver’s share of his team’s throws in 2012.

        Receivers like Marques Colston of the Saints are also bad comparisons, as Wallace is not a similarly effective jump-ball target in the red zone. Measuring Wallace against wideouts like Wes Welker also doesn’t work. The latter is short, quick and adept at catching passes from the slot position, none of which describes the Steelers receiver.

        From the Steelers’ perspective, the most preferable point of comparison for the purpose of negotiating is probably DeSean Jackson. The Eagles' deep threat signed a contract before the 2012 season that pays him a much more palatable $9.4 million per year. Convincing Wallace that his skills most closely match those of Jackson’s would allow the Steelers to offer their wideout a contract that would not completely destroy their somewhat delicate 2013 salary cap situation.

        Jackson is one of the few players in the NFL with Wallace’s ability to get behind safeties and to change the course of a game in a single play. Not surprisingly, his numbers between the age of 23 and 26 are reasonably similar to Wallace’s. The Eagles receiver caught 212 balls for 3873 yards and 21 touchdowns. He averaged 18.2 yards per catch, and 3.9 receptions and 70.4 yards per game.

        In his first four years in the league, Wallace amassed 235 catches for 4042 total yards and 32 touchdowns. He averaged 17.2 yards per reception, and 3.7 catches and 64.2 yards per game.

        Wallace could and probably will argue, however, that he is a more complete receiver than Jackson. Though the percentage of their targets that came on deep routes was about the same from 2009 to 2012 (37.9 percent for Wallace and 38.3 for Jackson), the Steelers receiver’s proportion of deep balls has decreased from around 50 percent to approximately 30 as his role in Pittsburgh’s offense has increased. By comparison, Jackson’s has varied little, meaning he remains something of a one-trick pony.

        Pittsburgh’s deep threat could and probably will also contend that this broader skill set has made him more demonstrably valuable than Jackson. The numbers back this up as well. The latter’s average DYAR from 2009 to 2012 was only 115, despite the fact that the Eagles receiver averaged nearly a full target more per game than Wallace.

        A better comparison from Wallace’s point of view would probably be to another Jackson: Vincent of the Buccaneers. Though considerably bigger than his Steelers counterpart, the veteran wideout has a similar ability to stretch defenses on deep routes. More importantly from Wallace’s perspective, though, the other Jackson signed a deal with Tampa Bay before the 2012 season that pays the former Chargers receiver $11 million per year.

        Interestingly, Vincent Jackson was the amended comparison Wallace hurriedly offered after his “Larry Fitzgerald” money comments fell so flat. Perhaps the Steelers wideout and his team got advice from a statistician, because the two receivers match up pretty well when it comes to their numbers.

        From age 23 to 26, Jackson caught 195 passes for 3341 yards and 25 touchdowns. Though this is a fair bit less than Wallace’s output at the same ages, the then Chargers wideout’s yards per reception were 17.1, or nearly exactly the same as the Steelers receiver’s. This indicates that the difference in absolute output was almost entirely due to usage, as Jackson averaged about a full target less per game early in his career (5.4 to 6.4).

        If the same number of throws had come their way during those four-year periods, their numbers would have been nearly identical. If both had averaged six targets per game, Wallace would have caught 220 passes for 3782 yards and 30 touchdowns. Jackson would have had 216 catches for 3693 yards and 28 touchdowns. Under that scenario, Wallace would have averaged 3.46 receptions and 60.1 yards per game, and Jackson 3.42 and 58.6.

        Further evidence of the similarity between the two receivers is their respective average DYAR over the four years in question. At 240, Jackson’s was just 21 yards less than Wallace’s. And both were nearly equally inconsistent. The average deviation of Jackson’s from its mean was 177, while Wallace’s was 168, meaning they had similar swings in performance from year to year.

        Wallace could further argue that at 27, he will be younger than Jackson was (29) when the latter played the first year of his big new contract. This means that the Steelers (or whichever team it is that signs Wallace) theoretically will get more good years out of the deal than the Buccaneers will get out of Jackson’s.

        Pittsburgh, of course, could counter that the extra years of high-quality performance are what justified Jackson’s huge deal in the first place and that Wallace’s subpar 2012 is an indication that he is nothing more than a flash in the pan who will never again reach the lofty heights of his second and third seasons.

        So, is Wallace DeSean Jackson or Vincent Jackson? Impossible to know at this point. And that's what makes contract negotiations so interesting.

        Any team that signs Wallace won’t be paying Wallace for what he did over the past four years. At least, that's what the organization hopes. Instead, his present or future employer will be compensating him for his performance during the years to come.

        If the Steelers choose to re-sign Wallace, hopefully they'll get Vincent at less than DeSean's price.

        [URL]http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1490311-mike-wallace-whose-money-should-steelers-receiver-get?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&ut m_campaign=pittsburgh-steelers[/URL]

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        • steelz09
          Administrator
          • Jan 2008
          • 4675

          #49
          Wallace isn't worth 10/mil / year and he reportedly turned that down. No thanks.. See ya.. Goodbye..

          Sign Keenan Lewis. Sign Starks. Sign Foster

          Cut Mendenhall. Cut Foote. Cut Colon. Cut Hampton. Restructure Ike. Restructure Harrison.

          Sign Chris Ivory as a FA RB. Draft ILB/OLB/Safety/WR.
          Tomlin: Let's unleash hell and "mop the floor" with the competition.

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          • RuthlessBurgher
            Legend
            • May 2008
            • 33208

            #50
            I think Miami's top WR target this offseason will be Greg Jennings (Philbin worked with him in Green Bay). If not him, then perhaps Dwayne Bowe. I'd say Wallace would be his third choice.

            It would be interesting (and scary) to see Wallace opposite A.J. Green in Cincy. With Green always double covered, imagine Wallace flying through secondaries in single coverage. The Bengals have plenty of cap space, but Mike Brown is still notoriously cheap. Plus, Andy Dalton doesn't have the biggest arm, so Wallace's biggest strength may go to waste if the QB can't get him the ball deep consistently.

            Wallace's best years were with Arians, so the Cards could make a play for him opposite Fitz (for somewhat less than Fitz money, of course). The Cards' QB situation is god-awful, but you'd imagine that potential free agent QB's would all make Arizona their first choice if they had Fitz and Wallace as weapons.
            Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

            Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

            We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

            We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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            • steelmann58
              Rookie
              • Jan 2013
              • 32

              #51
              Originally posted by RuthlessBurgher
              I think Miami's top WR target this offseason will be Greg Jennings (Philbin worked with him in Green Bay). If not him, then perhaps Dwayne Bowe. I'd say Wallace would be his third choice.

              It would be interesting (and scary) to see Wallace opposite A.J. Green in Cincy. With Green always double covered, imagine Wallace flying through secondaries in single coverage. The Bengals have plenty of cap space, but Mike Brown is still notoriously cheap. Plus, Andy Dalton doesn't have the biggest arm, so Wallace's biggest strength may go to waste if the QB can't get him the ball deep consistently.

              Wallace's best years were with Arians, so the Cards could make a play for him opposite Fitz (for somewhat less than Fitz money, of course). The Cards' QB situation is god-awful, but you'd imagine that potential free agent QB's would all make Arizona their first choice if they had Fitz and Wallace as weapons.
              I for one don't believe that Wallace will be back with the steelers in2013, and their is no way that Mendy will be back in 2013 just listen to Colbert.
              The one FA that the steelers need to resign is Starks,noone one this team is capable to play LT.

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              • NorthCoast
                Legend
                • Sep 2008
                • 26636

                #52
                Originally posted by BigRob
                Now that Chip Kelly has moved on from the NFL for another year. I started thinking about where Mike Wallace would play.

                There are two possibilities in my mind. Washington and Cleveland.

                Washington needs a burner on the outside for RGIII. Pierre Garcon is best when paired up with someone on the otherside. I could really see this happening. However.....

                Cleveland has $47 million dollars in cap space as of today! This is per Peter King.

                Cleveland is going to be sticking with Weeden for one more year. They have the cap space to dump into Wallace. A receiving corp of Wallace, Gordon, and Greg Little is going to look appealing to them.

                It will also appeal to them to take Wallace from the Steelers.

                This is my prediction for Wallace. Where do you think he will end up playing next year?

                Only one problem with Wallace to CLE. Weeden is a pee-pee armed QB. Talk about Ben underthrowing??... Weeden would be worse.

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                • SidSmythe
                  Hall of Famer
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 4708

                  #53
                  I can see a panzy like Wallace wanting to go play in warm weather or somewhere on turf.

                  Since Al Davis is no longer alive it's hard to say at this point.
                  Here We Go Steelers, Here We Go...
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                  • Sugar
                    Hall of Famer
                    • Oct 2008
                    • 3700

                    #54
                    Originally posted by SidSmythe
                    I can see a panzy like Wallace wanting to go play in warm weather or somewhere on turf.

                    Since Al Davis is no longer alive it's hard to say at this point.
                    If your biggest asset is speed, you don't have to be a panzy to want to play where you can make the most of your strength.

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                    • SidSmythe
                      Hall of Famer
                      • Sep 2008
                      • 4708

                      #55
                      Originally posted by Sugar
                      If your biggest asset is speed, you don't have to be a panzy to want to play where you can make the most of your strength.
                      He can go play in a dome or in warm weather and regardless he's still a panzy who won't fight for a ball that isn't perfectly thrown.
                      Here We Go Steelers, Here We Go...
                      Here We Go Steelers, Here We Go...
                      Here We Go Steelers, Here We Go...!!!

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                      • hawaiiansteel
                        Legend
                        • May 2008
                        • 35649

                        #56
                        Patriots to target Mike Wallace?

                        February 26, 2013 by Paul Jackiewicz

                        Not only did Tom Brady’s new contract free up some cap space to potentially re-sign Wes Welker, it could also help the Patriots finally acquire the deep threat they’ve been looking for.

                        As Ian Rapoport of NFL.com points out, Wallace “has always garnered” the praise of Patriots head coach Bill Belichick.

                        Belichick and the Patriots know Brady doesn’t have a lot of time left in the NFL as he gets ready to turn 36 this year, they might be willing to overpay for a player like Wallace to try to get at least one more Super Bowl title.

                        It will be interesting to see what happens once free agency kicks off on March 12th.

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                        • feltdizz
                          Legend
                          • May 2008
                          • 27531

                          #57
                          They were talking about Wallace on Charlotte radio. Basically said he would cost too much to bring to Carolina. I'm not sure if it's accurate but they used the $10 mill per year and said he wasn't worth it because he is one dimensional.
                          Steelers 27
                          Rats 16

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                          • squidkid
                            Legend
                            • Feb 2012
                            • 5847

                            #58
                            Originally posted by hawaiiansteel
                            Wexell is a very credible reporter.
                            didnt wexell say woodley was the same size as he was a couple years ago and in the same shape?
                            steelers = 3 ring circus with tomlin being the head clown

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                            • pfelix73
                              Hall of Famer
                              • Aug 2008
                              • 3458

                              #59
                              My guess is, he's looking for property in South Beach. Miami Dolphins....
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                              • ikestops85
                                Hall of Famer
                                • Jun 2008
                                • 3724

                                #60
                                I still say Wallace will end up with the Rams. It will be very attractive for him to play in a dome on a fast surface. Bradford won't have any problem throwing deep to him and he will compliment Danny Amendola very well.
                                As many on this site think ... The Rooney's suck, Colbert sucks, Tomlin sucks, the coaches suck, and the players suck.

                                but Go Steelers!!!

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