There could be a bright spot in all of this....

[BigRob]

I watch lots of SEC games and who are the 3-4 ILBs better than T'eo? I can't fugure who they are based on the games I watched.

There have been a few scouts that say CJ Mosley of Alabama for one. Have you seen Kevin Minter? Both of them would be great compliments to Timmons at 3-4 ILB later and will be available in the 2nd round.

DL is stacked this year and we would be fools to waste a 1st round pick on an ILB or a 4-3 LB.

Hell, Alec Ogletree is going to develop into one of the league's nastiest LB'ers in a long time.

[Dee Dub]

Stop it. He isn't as good as Kuechly.

Teo is decent but I think there are a good 3 or 4 LB's in the SEC who are better than Teo... I think he is average in pass coverage and should be available in the middle of the 1st round. I wouldn't have a problem picking him 15th... not 10th though...

7 INT's and 11 PD's from the inside linebacker position? Goodness...I'd like to be that "average".

Show me an SEC ILB who is a more complete LB than T'eo. Come on...let's see it. And I am a huge Kevin Minter fan but he isnt even close. Ogletree? No way, he is limited at the point of attack. C.J. Mosely? Negative.

Let's here it felt....please name us the 3 or 4 ILB in the SEC who are better or as complete an ILB as T'eo is.

[BigRob]

7 INT's and 11 PD's from the inside linebacker position? Goodness...I'd like to be that "average".

Show me an SEC ILB who is a more complete LB than T'eo. Come on...let's see it. And I am a huge Kevin Minter fan but he isnt even close. Ogletree? No way, he is limited at the point of attack. C.J. Mosely? Negative.

Let's here it felt....please name us the 3 or 4 ILB in the SEC who are better or as complete an ILB as T'eo is.

Right now, probably not one that is equal to Te'o, but that doesn't mean you take him with the 10th pick. Very bad value in a draft that is loaded with stud DL/NT/3-4 OLB.

Have you seen our pass rush? If we are picking around picks 18 to 23, then you pull the trigger on Te'o. NOT with the 10th overall pick.

[Dee Dub]

Please, I will take the potential game changer of a Mingo/Jordan over Te'o. You can get a stud ILB in the 2nd easily.

Ever hear of Bowman or Bobby Wagner. Value in the first for ILB is just not there. We had this same argument over Hightower last year. He was not worth the first round pick. He has been a just decent LB'er for them this year.

Yeah and do you know what you would be stuck with? Bruce Irvin. 8 sacks in his rookie year...but only 6 other tackles after that. Sometimes the premium on pass rushers is over-blown. Manti T'eo would have a far greater impact with his 100 plus tackles and ability to drop in coverage. The Steelers dont need a one trick pony. They need leadership and play makers.

[Dee Dub]

I watch lots of SEC games and who are the 3-4 ILBs better than T'eo? I can't fugure who they are based on the games I watched.

Exactly. You are 100% right Ovi.

[BigRob]

Yeah and do you know what you would be stuck with? Bruce Irvin. 8 sacks in his rookie year...but only 6 other tackles after that. Sometimes the premium on pass rushers is over-blown. Manti T'eo would have a far greater impact with his 100 plus tackles and ability to drop in coverage. The Steelers dont need a one trick pony. They need leadership and play makers.

Bull**** and Pure Speculation about an Irvin type player. We're talking about the 10th overall pick here. I've already said that Te'o would be worth looking at later in the 1st round. Not with the 10th overall pick.

How many extra games has Kuechly helped the panthers win this year? None. Their defense still sucks. They have won the games they have lately because of one person. Newton. He has pulled his head out of his ass.

It was a ****ty pick for the Panthers because they could have had nearly the same production by taking a Bobby Wagner in the 2nd or another ILB. You don't take ILB'ers that early.

It is very rarely is a game changing pick for a team to choose a pure LB that high in the draft.

[Oviedo]

There have been a few scouts that say CJ Mosley of Alabama for one. Have you seen Kevin Minter? Both of them would be great compliments to Timmons at 3-4 ILB later and will be available in the 2nd round.

DL is stacked this year and we would be fools to waste a 1st round pick on an ILB or a 4-3 LB.

Hell, Alec Ogletree is going to develop into one of the league's nastiest LB'ers in a long time.

I don't think any you mention are as complete a package as T'eo.

[Dee Dub]

....Ever hear of Bowman or Bobby Wagner. Value in the first for ILB is just not there. We had this same argument over Hightower last year. He was not worth the first round pick. He has been a just decent LB'er for them this year.

You can not compare the skill sets of Donte Hightower with that of Manti T'eo. Not even close. But in defense of Hightower, he has turned out to be just what I said he would be. A first year starter. At 55 tackles, 3 sacks and 6 tackles for loss isnt too bad.

[BigRob]

You can not compare the skill sets of Donte Hightower with that of Manti T'eo. Not even close. But in defense of Hightower, he has turned out to be just what I said he would be. A first year starter. At 55 tackles, 3 sacks and 6 tackles for loss isnt too bad.

Compare that to Bobby Wagner: 76 tackles, 2 sacks. 6.5 tackles for a loss for a 2nd round pick that plays the same ILB position. Thank you for proving my point.

Not everyone is in love with Manti Te'o as a prospect, everyone loves his story.

[Dee Dub]

There have been a few scouts that say CJ Mosley of Alabama for one. Have you seen Kevin Minter? Both of them would be great compliments to Timmons at 3-4 ILB later and will be available in the 2nd round.

DL is stacked this year and we would be fools to waste a 1st round pick on an ILB or a 4-3 LB.

Hell, Alec Ogletree is going to develop into one of the league's nastiest LB'ers in a long time.

Well I agree about Kevin Minter. I've been all over him all year but he isnt as complete as T'eo. Not even close. C.J. Mosley is solid but every time I want him I am never "wowed". He never makes that huge splash play or shows any dominance. He does a lot of things good bit nothing great. You can not say that about T'eo.

[BigRob]

Well I agree about Kevin Minter. I've been all over him all year but he isnt as complete as T'eo. Not even close. C.J. Mosley is solid but every time I want him I am never "wowed". He never makes that huge splash play or shows any dominance. He does a lot of things good bit nothing great. You can not say that about T'eo.

I love Te'o later in the first round. Even around pick 18-20, but not as a top 10 pick. Track record is terrible for LB'ers taken that high. There is nothing about him that screams he is the greatest ILB of all time.

Hell even Patrick Willis after having a tremendous college career, blowing up the combine and Senior Bowls went 13th. Te'o is not Patrick Willis explosive.

[Dee Dub]

I love Te'o later in the first round. Even around pick 18-20, but not as a top 10 pick. Track record is terrible for LB'ers taken that high. There is nothing about him that screams he is the greatest ILB of all time.

Hell even Patrick Willis after having a tremendous college career, blowing up the combine and Senior Bowls went 13th. Te'o is not Patrick Willis explosive.

Ok first, your arguments wont ever hold much water if your facts aren't correct. Patrick Willis went 11th overall.

[URL]http://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/years/2007[/URL]

I personally think that T'eo matches up very well with Willis' skill set. T'eo is a better man in coverage and they are both very explosive coming forward versus the run. Both are exceptional laterally as well. And they both are very instinctive, smart football players.

As far as your comments about Luke Kuechly is concerned, how can you say he hasnt made an impact? He is on pace to have over 150 tackles in his rookie year. Currently at 10 TFL's which is pretty special since he plays off the line of scrimmage. It isnt his fault the rest of the team is horrible. If they build around him the Panthers will even see more from Kuechly.

Bobby Wagner is not the norm. He is the exception. What he has done does not happen all that often.

[BigRob]

Ok first, your arguments wont ever hold much water if your facts aren't correct. Patrick Willis went 11th overall.

[URL]http://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/years/2007[/URL]

I personally think that T'eo matches up very well with Willis' skill set. T'eo is a better man in coverage and they are both very explosive coming forward versus the run. Both are exceptional laterally as well. And they both are very instinctive, smart football players.

As far as your comments about Luke Kuechly is concerned, how can you say he hasnt made an impact? He is on pace to have over 150 tackles in his rookie year. Currently at 10 TFL's which is pretty special since he plays off the line of scrimmage. It isnt his fault the rest of the team is horrible. If they build around him the Panthers will even see more from Kuechly.

Bobby Wagner is not the norm. He is the exception. What he has done does not happen all that often.

Willis still was not a top 10 pick. He was a much more explosive prospect than Te'o. Te'o is not Willis. He will not run nearly as well and is not nearly as explosive.

Bowman (3rd) is not the norm either right? Neither is Sean Lee? How about all of the other 2nd rd LB'ers that go onto make the pro bowl?

Kuechly has not helped them win more games this year. The Panthers go how Newton goes. He is a good LB'er. Does not make him worth the 9th overall pick.

[feltdizz]

7 INT's and 11 PD's from the inside linebacker position? Goodness...I'd like to be that "average".

Show me an SEC ILB who is a more complete LB than T'eo. Come on...let's see it. And I am a huge Kevin Minter fan but he isnt even close. Ogletree? No way, he is limited at the point of attack. C.J. Mosely? Negative.

Let's here it felt....please name us the 3 or 4 ILB in the SEC who are better or as complete an ILB as T'eo is.

I never said ILB.. I said LB. Jones, Mosley, Minter are all as good as T'eo. Don't let the ND broadcasters fool you...

Like Rob said.. the story of T'eo is great and he plays on THE team when it comes to exposure and feel good stories...

I just think he is a little over rated due to the team he is on. Don't get me wrong, I would love to have him in the 15 to 18 range but at 10? No way...

[feltdizz]

Willis still was not a top 10 pick. He was a much more explosive prospect than Te'o. Te'o is not Willis. He will not run nearly as well and is not nearly as explosive.

Bowman (3rd) is not the norm either right? Neither is Sean Lee? How about all of the other 2nd rd LB'ers that go onto make the pro bowl?

Kuechly has not helped them win more games this year. The Panthers go how Newton goes. He is a good LB'er. Does not make him worth the 9th overall pick.

no...I disagree. Kuechly is a machine and the D has improved with him moved to the middle. The D made Matt Ryan look like a baby in 2 games until the D crapped the bed when they had them pinned at the 1 yard line after Newton fumbled away the game on 3rd down.

Kuechly has fumble recoveries and forced fumbles and has 15 to 18 tackles in some games. You can't ignore that... and the Carolina offense was disgusting for a good 3 to 4 games. I live in Charlotte. Trust me, Kuechly is a beast.