Steelers and Ravens in the bottom four of cap room

[BigRob]

Steelers 1.1 million under the cap.

Ravens 1.4 million under the cap.

No matter what happens the rest of this year, we are going to see big changes. We are predicted to be 30 million dollars over the cap for next year because the cap is going to be flat for 2013. I could see Taylor, Polamalu, Harrison, Hampton gone from this team next year or come back at extremely reduced salary.

The Ravens will be either franchising or signing Flacco to a long term contract.

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[Oviedo]

Can't wait 2-3 years for guys to develop. We have to have bodies on the field now. As you point out, the players of the past decade will be leaving real soon or are already gone.

[papillon]

Just salaries

Ben - 10 million
Troy - 9 million
James - 9 million
Heath - 7 million
Casey - 5 million
Woodley - 5 million
Kiesel - 4.5 million
Ike - 4 million
Timmons - 4 million
Mendy - 3.5 million
Foote - 3.5 million

Casey, Kiesel, Ike, Mendy and Foote are taking up 20.5 million in just salary (no idea about prorated signing bonuses). I don't know if Troy, James and Heath have any room to restructure or not, Ben has already restructured once, maybe twice. The off season is going to be interesting to some of the core veterans that have made this team great for the better part of 10 years.

Pappy

[BigRob]

Just salaries

Ben - 10 million
Troy - 9 million
James - 9 million
Heath - 7 million
Casey - 5 million
Woodley - 5 million
Kiesel - 4.5 million
Ike - 4 million
Timmons - 4 million
Mendy - 3.5 million
Foote - 3.5 million

Casey, Kiesel, Ike, Mendy and Foote are taking up 20.5 million in just salary (no idea about prorated signing bonuses). I don't know if Troy, James and Heath have any room to restructure or not, Ben has already restructured once, maybe twice. The off season is going to be interesting to some of the core veterans that have made this team great for the better part of 10 years.

Pappy

Foote and Mendy's money will be completely off the books, but what is the cap hit/dead money on the other players is the real question. I know we would save about 5.5 million by cutting James.

[Oviedo]

Now who is earning that pay:

Ben - 10 million--Yes
Troy - 9 million--No
James - 9 million--No
Heath - 7 million--Yes
Casey - 5 million--No
Woodley - 5 million--No
Kiesel - 4.5 million--Maybe
Ike - 4 million--Maybe
Timmons - 4 million--Yes
Mendy - 3.5 million--Maybe
Foote - 3.5 million--Yes

[Oviedo]

Foote and Mendy's money will be completely off the books, but what is the cap hit/dead money on the other players is the real question. I know we would save about 5.5 million by cutting James.

If they cut Foote, who do they have? Don't get me wrong I think we have to have better. They will just have to replace that by likely signing a free agent because none of the young guys have demonstated they can step in.

I think they will try to resign Mendy. The market for RBs, especially ones with ACL surgery, is not usually very robust. This year has shown that you have to have two or even three very good RBs. Redman would probably be the easier RB to replace, but because of that he is cheaper. RB will be interesting to watch.

Unless harrison turns into a demon the second half I think you have no choice but to let him go or make him play for less. Same for Troy.

[Slapstick]

Cap space this year means nothing next year...

[ikestops85]

If they cut Foote, who do they have? Don't get me wrong I think we have to have better. They will just have to replace that by likely signing a free agent because none of the young guys have demonstated they can step in.

I think they will try to resign Mendy. The market for RBs, especially ones with ACL surgery, is not usually very robust. This year has shown that you have to have two or even three very good RBs. Redman would probably be the easier RB to replace, but because of that he is cheaper. RB will be interesting to watch.

Unless harrison turns into a demon the second half I think you have no choice but to let him go or make him play for less. Same for Troy.

I agree with you about Foote. I don't think he is a cut. He is a solid player in the middle for us and he isn't that expensive for a starting linebacker. I hate to say it but Jimmy Hate is probably in for a big pay cut ... The Diesel also. Troy should also take a cut but I don't think they will ask him to do that.

[RuthlessBurgher]

Foote will be a free agent after this season (so will Mendenhall and Hampton).

[BigRob]

Cap space this year means nothing next year...

Really? I didn't notice that....except for the fact that I discussed the cap next year as well dumb ass.

We are predicted to be 30 million dollars over the cap for next year because the cap is going to be flat for 2013.

[BigRob]

Foote will be a free agent after this season (so will Mendenhall and Hampton).

Yep, and their figures are not included in the cap for next year. We are projected to be 30 million over the cap without factoring in these players or Keenan Lewis (URFA next year). Big Big changes coming.

[ikestops85]

Foote will be a free agent after this season (so will Mendenhall and Hampton).

Dang, I thought Foote had another year on his deal.

[lloydroid]

Just salaries

Ben - 10 million - may restructure
Troy - 9 million - ba bye. Dude can't stay healthy; F paying him to wear a hoodie
James - 9 million - depends if he ends up whole again.
Heath - 7 million - fine
Casey - 5 million - gone
Woodley - 5 million - fine
Kiesel - 4.5 million
Ike - 4 million
Timmons - 4 million
Mendy - 3.5 million - gone
Foote - 3.5 million - not sure

I am glad we will be over the cap that much; it will force them to make the decisions that need made. Bye bye Troy and Casey and Mendy.

[lloydroid]

Now who is earning that pay:

Ben - 10 million--Yes
Troy - 9 million--No
James - 9 million--No
Heath - 7 million--Yes
Casey - 5 million--No
Woodley - 5 million--No
Kiesel - 4.5 million--Maybe
Ike - 4 million--Maybe
Timmons - 4 million--Yes
Mendy - 3.5 million--Maybe
Foote - 3.5 million--Yes

Mendy maybe? 74 yards for $3.5 million? Please.

[hawaiiansteel]

Just salaries

Ben - 10 million - may restructure
Troy - 9 million - ba bye. Dude can't stay healthy; F paying him to wear a hoodie
James - 9 million - depends if he ends up whole again.
Heath - 7 million - fine
Casey - 5 million - gone
Woodley - 5 million - fine
Kiesel - 4.5 million
Ike - 4 million
Timmons - 4 million
Mendy - 3.5 million - gone
Foote - 3.5 million - not sure

I am glad we will be over the cap that much; it will force them to make the decisions that need made. Bye bye Troy and Casey and Mendy.

Casey renegotiated his salary downward this off-season and is only making $2.8 million.