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  • phillyesq
    Legend
    • May 2008
    • 7568

    #16
    Originally posted by Oviedo
    Yes it is opinion which is why it was prefaced by IMO (In My Opinion). People tend to have opinions on message board and some even take exceptions to others opinions offering no facts to support their exceptions or disprove the the original opinion.
    Ovi, your opposition to the 3-4 is approaching tin foil hat levels. Woodley pulled his hamstring because of the 3-4? Was he even in coverage on the play where the injury occurred? Is there a history of 3-4 OLBs suffering more leg injuries than 4-3 DEs (because plenty of DEs get hurt, too)?

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    • birtikidis
      Hall of Famer
      • May 2008
      • 4628

      #17
      Hasn't seemed to be a problem for all the other DE conversion projects we've had.

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      • NW Steeler
        Pro Bowler
        • Dec 2008
        • 1391

        #18
        Originally posted by Oviedo
        Yes it is opinion which is why it was prefaced by IMO (In My Opinion). People tend to have opinions on message board and some even take exceptions to others opinions offering no facts to support their exceptions or disprove the the original opinion.
        Yes, but you DID stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night though. Right?

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        • Ghost
          Legend
          • May 2008
          • 6286

          #19
          Originally posted by squidkid
          wow, he really laid down the law on a player that hasnt even dressed once.
          talk about holding people accountable for their actions
          This was my thought as well. Dude injured a person in a drunk driving car wreck and is being brought up on charges of resisting arrest. A 2 game suspension is weak and certainly does not say "I WON'T tolerate this behavior". Suspend him for the season, offer him help if he asks for it, and tell him the Steelers would love to have him back in camp next year if he gets his act together.
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          • stopplayn
            Backup
            • Sep 2012
            • 423

            #20
            If Tomlin/Arians/Haley sneezed and didnt say excuse me you guys would complain. I blame the players, the ones on the field. Bellicheat makes Brady good? if thats the case then what happened with Bledsoe? What happened in Cleveland? If Caldwell/Dungy made Peyton Manning then what happened when Peyton was hurt? What happened in Tampa? Sorry Phil Jackson didnt make Jordan, it was the other way around. Coaches put players in position to be successful but its those players who execute at a high level that make a difference. This isnt High School or College.

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            • Oviedo
              Legend
              • May 2008
              • 23816

              #21
              Originally posted by phillyesq
              Ovi, your opposition to the 3-4 is approaching tin foil hat levels. Woodley pulled his hamstring because of the 3-4? Was he even in coverage on the play where the injury occurred? Is there a history of 3-4 OLBs suffering more leg injuries than 4-3 DEs (because plenty of DEs get hurt, too)?
              It all goes back to my basic premise. When all the gear are in perfect working order the 3-4 is great. My fundamental issue is based on two factors:

              1. It is high risk because of the need to take up to three season out of a players career to convert them to new positions and because of this medium to high risk coversion process it creates depth issues that leave teams unprepared when the successful conversions are injured or at the end of their careers.
              2. It is much more efficient to take players out of college and have them play the positions that they played in college that you scouted them playing and determined they had potential for the NFL.

              I think I have been pretty consistent about that. And to suggest that having a 270lb man chase 200lb RBs in pass coverage may cause leg injuries is far from a reach. It's a logical possibility.

              My preference for the 4-3 is no less credible than your love for the 3-4. You like apples and I like oranges. However, I think the argument I have made about replenishing talent in our 3-4 is looking to be very true as the stars of the last 7-10 years fade out.
              "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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              • BURGH86STEEL
                Legend
                • May 2008
                • 6917

                #22
                Originally posted by Oviedo
                It all goes back to my basic premise. When all the gear are in perfect working order the 3-4 is great. My fundamental issue is based on two factors:

                1. It is high risk because of the need to take up to three season out of a players career to convert them to new positions and because of this medium to high risk coversion process it creates depth issues that leave teams unprepared when the successful conversions are injured or at the end of their careers.
                2. It is much more efficient to take players out of college and have them play the positions that they played in college that you scouted them playing and determined they had potential for the NFL.

                I think I have been pretty consistent about that. And to suggest that having a 270lb man chase 200lb RBs in pass coverage may cause leg injuries is far from a reach. It's a logical possibility.

                My preference for the 4-3 is no less credible than your love for the 3-4. You like apples and I like oranges. However, I think the argument I have made about replenishing talent in our 3-4 is looking to be very true as the stars of the last 7-10 years fade out.
                Your basic premise applies to any offensive or defensive scheme.

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                • lloydroid
                  Pro Bowler
                  • Aug 2012
                  • 2026

                  #23
                  Originally posted by BradshawsHairdresser
                  Here we go again with Woodley...Isn't he suffering from a hamstring issue? Hope this isn't like last season, where he went through a major part of the schedule either ineffective or unable to play because he kept coming in before his hammy was fully healed.
                  If he re-injures it from trying to come back too quickly, I am gonna be beyond angry.

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                  • jj28west
                    Starter
                    • Dec 2008
                    • 784

                    #24
                    great points
                    Originally posted by stopplayn
                    If Tomlin/Arians/Haley sneezed and didnt say excuse me you guys would complain. I blame the players, the ones on the field. Bellicheat makes Brady good? if thats the case then what happened with Bledsoe? What happened in Cleveland? If Caldwell/Dungy made Peyton Manning then what happened when Peyton was hurt? What happened in Tampa? Sorry Phil Jackson didnt make Jordan, it was the other way around. Coaches put players in position to be successful but its those players who execute at a high level that make a difference. This isnt High School or College.

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                    • Sugar
                      Hall of Famer
                      • Oct 2008
                      • 3700

                      #25
                      I'm looking forward to having Deebo and Woodley on the field at the same time. GET THE GINGER!!!!

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