Ben was Huge for 3 Quarters

[Eich]

And this is precisely what I have been saying. The only thing I would add is that he had those 26 comebacks is because for the most part he played poorly prior to coming back.

So, Ben used to play poorly for 3 quarters and then played great as the comeback-kid in the 4th.

Now, he plays great for 3 quarters and plays poorly in the 4th.

Got it.

What's funny is that all the stats that certain Ben "critics" throw around in support of their theory that he's not one of the elite, can be used against other QBs and they never are. Sacks, Rings, first half rating, second half rating, Playoff wins, overall win/loss record - it doesn't matter. Ben stacks up very well against any QB in the league. He's not perfect. And neither is Peyton, Brady, Rogers, Eli, Rivers, Stafford, etc...

Peyton looks average under pressure and choked in playoffs for years until he relied on something other than his jitterbug passing to get a ring.
Brady hasn't won a ring since he stopped cheating and looks equially average when under pressure and drops like a girl at the sight of a defender in the backfield.
Rogers takes all the sacks that Ben does. His line isn't worse than ours. One-and-done in the playoffs last year.
Rivers - for all the regular season stats he piles up, what has he done?

Try to appreciate the fact that we have a winner of a franchise QB in Ben, even with all his inperfections. Bitching and moaning about his imperfections isn't going to change anything. He is what he is and we've won a LOT of games with him. He won't be around forever and we might have to agonize through another period like we did between Bradshaw and Ben before we find another one.

[papillon]

So, Ben used to play poorly for 3 quarters and then played great as the comeback-kid in the 4th.

Now, he plays great for 3 quarters and plays poorly in the 4th.

Got it.

What's funny is that all the stats that certain Ben "critics" throw around in support of their theory that he's not one of the elite, can be used against other QBs and they never are. Sacks, Rings, first half rating, second half rating, Playoff wins, overall win/loss record - it doesn't matter. Ben stacks up very well against any QB in the league. He's not perfect. And neither is Peyton, Brady, Rogers, Eli, Rivers, Stafford, etc...

Peyton looks average under pressure and choked in playoffs for years until he relied on something other than his jitterbug passing to get a ring.
Brady hasn't won a ring since he stopped cheating and looks equially average when under pressure and drops like a girl at the sight of a defender in the backfield.
Rogers takes all the sacks that Ben does. His line isn't worse than ours. One-and-done in the playoffs last year.
Rivers - for all the regular season stats he piles up, what has he done?

Try to appreciate the fact that we have a winner of a franchise QB in Ben, even with all his inperfections. Bitching and moaning about his imperfections isn't going to change anything. He is what he is and we've won a LOT of games with him. He won't be around forever and we might have to agonize through another period like we did between Bradshaw and Ben before we find another one.

I've been saying this for years now about Ben. He doesn't play the position in the preconceived way that some fans want him to play, so in their eyes he's not as good as others and never will be. And, because of that style, many believe that he doesn't pre-snap read, can't throw in rhythm, etc, he's been on time, on rhythm for many seasons, but what he can also do if he gets through progressions and doesn't find anybody open is extend the play. For some reason extending the play to try and make a splash play on offense has become a bad thing when Ben does it, but not Rogers, Newton, Stafford, etc.

As I've said before, rather than always looking for the warts enjoy Ben while he's playing, he'll be gone someday and someone like Dixon, Leftwich or Batch will step in and then you'll see exactly how good Ben is/was.

Pappy

[RuthlessBurgher]

In his first seven seasons, Roethlisberger led 26 such drives, many of which came when he was, you know, just a game manager.

It's also interesting that Brady won 3 Super Bowls when he was only a "game manager" type of QB from 2001 to 2004...since he has become an "elite" type of QB throwing for 4000-5000 yards per year...no Super Bowl victories.

[Ghost]

I've been saying this for years now about Ben. He doesn't play the position in the preconceived way that some fans want him to play, so in their eyes he's not as good as others and never will be. And, because of that style, many believe that he doesn't pre-snap read, can't throw in rhythm, etc, he's been on time, on rhythm for many seasons, but what he can also do if he gets through progressions and doesn't find anybody open is extend the play. For some reason extending the play to try and make a splash play on offense has become a bad thing when Ben does it, but not Rogers, Newton, Stafford, etc.

As I've said before, rather than always looking for the warts enjoy Ben while he's playing, he'll be gone someday and someone like Dixon, Leftwich or Batch will step in and then you'll see exactly how good Ben is/was.

Pappy

Enjoy it while it lasts is dead on the money. We've got it GREAT. Just in case people have forgotten or aren't old enough to remember:

1984 - 2004:
Cliff Stoudt
Mark Malone (Magnum PI)
David Woodley
Scott Campbell
Bubby Brister
Steve Bono (3rd string on the Vikings b/f Pgh)
Todd Blackledge
Neil O'Donnell
Mike Tomczak
Jim Miller
Kordell Stewart
Kent Grahmn ( I mean what the #$%^...)
Tommy Maddox

[stopplayn]

So, Ben used to play poorly for 3 quarters and then played great as the comeback-kid in the 4th.

Now, he plays great for 3 quarters and plays poorly in the 4th.

Got it.

What's funny is that all the stats that certain Ben "critics" throw around in support of their theory that he's not one of the elite, can be used against other QBs and they never are. Sacks, Rings, first half rating, second half rating, Playoff wins, overall win/loss record - it doesn't matter. Ben stacks up very well against any QB in the league. He's not perfect. And neither is Peyton, Brady, Rogers, Eli, Rivers, Stafford, etc...

Peyton looks average under pressure and choked in playoffs for years until he relied on something other than his jitterbug passing to get a ring.
Brady hasn't won a ring since he stopped cheating and looks equially average when under pressure and drops like a girl at the sight of a defender in the backfield.
Rogers takes all the sacks that Ben does. His line isn't worse than ours. One-and-done in the playoffs last year.
Rivers - for all the regular season stats he piles up, what has he done?

Try to appreciate the fact that we have a winner of a franchise QB in Ben, even with all his inperfections. Bitching and moaning about his imperfections isn't going to change anything. He is what he is and we've won a LOT of games with him. He won't be around forever and we might have to agonize through another period like we did between Bradshaw and Ben before we find another one.

Peyton Manning doesnt play on the Steelers with Troy Polamalu, James Harrison, Joey Porter and Ryan Clark, He also has been provided with talent the likes of Plaxicon Burress, Jerome Bettis, Rashard Mendenhall, Hines Ward, Mike Wallace, Santonio Holmes, Heath Miller and Antonio Brown. Manning has never had that much talent. IF he had that talent on the Steelers he wouldnt be a one time champ. Despite having a worse Team than Ben Manning has a better head to head record vs Ben. He also has better playoff stats than Ben. Just has a worse TEAM record. That is to be expected because Ben plays on the better team.

Brady cheated? Oh I thought it was bellicheat. Brady had put his team in position to win twice but the D failed him. Its ironic how you guys dont blame OUR QB for late game faliures but yet you blame Brady in similar situations. Hypocrisy.

Aaron Rodgers doesnt take the sacks that Ben does. Ben is the most sacked qb in the league. Followed by Vick or Cutler. Rodgers has proven he is an elite decision maker.

Rivers- See this is more hyporcrisy. You compare Rivers to Ben individually but then you throw a TEAM comparrison in at the end. Rivers has better stats than Ben ON A LESSER TEAM. What do you think those stats would be if Rivers had the supporting cast that Ben has?

Ben is a winner because he is a STEELER. Put him on the Bucs, Browns etc and he has zero rings in my opinion. We have won a lot of games with Kordell too something like 45 in 3 or 4 years. No Super Bowls but did we do all that winning with that BUM because Kordell is great or because the STEELERS are?

I have never called Ben a bum nor am I saying Kordell is equal or better (absurd) KORDELL SUX but we went 13-3 with him. Doesnt mean he is great just means the team is.

[stopplayn]

It's also interesting that Brady won 3 Super Bowls when he was only a "game manager" type of QB from 2001 to 2004...since he has become an "elite" type of QB throwing for 4000-5000 yards per year...no Super Bowl victories.

Brady put his team up in both of those losses to the Giants. If you blame OUR D for losing the lead last week then why dont you do the same for the Pats D?

[stopplayn]

Enjoy it while it lasts is dead on the money. We've got it GREAT. Just in case people have forgotten or aren't old enough to remember:

1984 - 2004:
Cliff Stoudt
Mark Malone (Magnum PI)
David Woodley
Scott Campbell
Bubby Brister
Steve Bono (3rd string on the Vikings b/f Pgh)
Todd Blackledge
Neil O'Donnell
Mike Tomczak
Jim Miller
Kordell Stewart
Kent Grahmn ( I mean what the #$%^...)
Tommy Maddox

WHICH one of these qbs is a STARTER? Ben is better than a bunch of career backups. CONGRATULATIONS

[fordfixer]

I Dont hate Ben. You just hate my posts about him. Please show me where I have lied on him.

O.K. I will type this slowly because you are having a hard time keeping up.I said

We could go with "spam" you turn every thread into a "I hate Ben thread"

I did not say you

have lied on him

[Ghost]

Where's the thread titled - 'The D was huge for ZERO quaters and insanely horrendous in Q4"? You're an agenda spinning dick. Nothing more.

[Captain Lemming]

It's also interesting that Brady won 3 Super Bowls when he was only a "game manager" type of QB from 2001 to 2004...since he has become an "elite" type of QB throwing for 4000-5000 yards per year...no Super Bowl victories.

WORD!!!! Money post

[Dee Dub]

I completely disagree. Ben was huge today. A bright spot in a mistake filled effort from many.....but not Ben. The 4th qrt he was 3 for 4 ? Sacked once and hurried three time...and I think Colin was called for holding. AB fumbled their best drive away. This game was lost because of two turnovers. Abysmal defense and WAY to many penalties.

You are entitled to your opinion sir, but I disagree.

Cha-ching!! Excellent post Virgilbosetti!! You my friend get it. And you are a Godfather fan? Nice.

[Dee Dub]

What a lot of Ben haters forget about when it comes to that Super Bowl in 2005 was what Ben did the 3 games prior. All on the road. He nearly carried his team to that Super Bowl.

42-72 in passing at 68.3% for 680 yards and 7 TD's to only 1 INT and he also ran for another TD.

[stopplayn]

Where's the thread titled - 'The D was huge for ZERO quaters and insanely horrendous in Q4"? You're an agenda spinning dick. Nothing more.

What you mean is "I cant refute you so I will be mean". The defense has shown up way more often than the offense so they get a pass.

[stopplayn]

What a lot of Ben haters forget about when it comes to that Super Bowl in 2005 was what Ben did the 3 games prior. All on the road. He nearly carried his team to that Super Bowl.

42-72 in passing at 68.3% for 680 yards and 7 TD's to only 1 INT and he also ran for another TD.

The three games prior mean nothing if we lose the SB now do they? Is anyone talking about what Ben did prior to our loss in 10? Nope.

[virgilbosetti]

The three games prior mean nothing if we lose the SB now do they? Is anyone talking about what Ben did prior to our loss in 10? Nope.

But it doesn't change the fact that without his stellar play they would have never made it to the SB. Either way.....Sunday's game is a no brainier. Turnovers. Penalties and horrendous D.