Batch or Rainey? Role of hybrid is pivotal to Steelers’ offense

Collapse
X
 
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • hawaiiansteel
    Legend
    • May 2008
    • 35649

    Batch or Rainey? Role of hybrid is pivotal to Steelers’ offense

    Role of hybrid is pivotal to Steelers’ offense

    By Mark Kaboly - Tribune-Review
    Published: Friday, June 1, 2012

    Baron Batch or Chris Rainey could fill a vital role for Todd Haley’s offense

    Baron Batch 24 5-10 210 Texas Tech 2nd year

    Chris Rainey 24 5-8 178 Florida Rookie



    Only a fraction of Steelers offensive coordinator Todd Haley’s system has been installed through the first two weeks of organized team activities.

    Even so, one critical concept has become quite clear — a player who can line up as a running back, motion out of the backfield and set up at the slot receiver position is going to be extremely valuable.

    Enter Baron Batch and Chris Rainey.

    Despite not having one NFL snap between them, Haley has a pair of prototypical hybrids with Rainey (5-foot-8, 179) and Batch (5-10, 210) who can fill that important role in his offense.

    “It might be third down, it might be by package, you might see him as a receiver or as a running back, but you’ll see him do a little bit of everything,” Haley said after drafting Rainey.

    The same can be said about Batch, who tore his ACL after turning some heads during the first week of training camp last year. He missed his entire rookie season.

    “There is a lot of stuff to get the backs in space (with this offense),” Batch said.

    The hybrid role sounds like a typical run-of-the-mill third-down back, but it’s really much more complex.

    Haley is looking to create favorable matchups with a versatile guy who can outrun linebackers and safeties from multiple spots on the field, and he could get that with Rainey or Batch.

    Rainey started 13 games at running back and six at slot receiver during his time at Florida, and Batch was versatile while at Texas Tech, making them good fits Haley’s hybrid role.

    “I have no clue yet what my role will be,” Rainey said. “I don’t care what it is, but I love running back. I am ready whatever they want me to do. I have mad confidence in myself. I got a lot of talent and God-given gifts.”

    Haley used that role the past two years in Kansas City with Dexter McCluster. After toying around with McCluster as strictly a slot receiver, Haley settled on a role in the backfield for McCluster where he could run or catch it equally effective.

    Haley said after a preseason game last year against Baltimore when McCluster gained 71 total yards on seven touches (six of which came on first down) that “this guy clearly in space is a hazard to the defense.”

    McCluster had 516 rushing and 318 receiving yards on 160 touches last year from the hybrid role.

    Batch welcomes the challenge of the position if presented to him.

    “Roles are something that we really don’t talk about,” Batch said. “I have always been that type of player that I am willing to do a lot of things. Being a competitor, I don’t like to put myself in a certain box of what I can do. I like to be well-rounded, and if I am asked to do something, I know that I can do it effectively.”

    Batch isn’t 100 percent yet since ACL surgery in August. He’s been wearing a blue practice jersey indicating that he’s still not ready for rough play, but he is sure he will be ready for training camp where he is prepared to battle Rainey for what could not only be a significant role with the offense but a roster spot as well.

    “I always say this, if you are not willing to compete, you shouldn’t be in the NFL,” Batch said. “I am a competitor, and I love to compete. I am a competitor in everything I do whether it is ping pong or bowling. I want to be the best at it, and because of that, I think of wherever they put me I can compete and do well.”

    [URL]http://triblive.com/sports/steelers/1893570-85/batch-role-rainey-haley-running-mccluster-hybrid-offense-receiver-chris[/URL]
  • Slapstick
    Rookie
    • May 2008
    • 0

    #2
    If Batch an Rainey are battling for one roster spot, that's crazy....

    Batch is 30 Lbs heavier...he is a legit RB...

    Rainey is indeed a weapon, but while some of their skills may be similar, they should have different roles...

    This is like the comparison going on between Troy and Spence...they are two different players...
    Actually, my post was NOT about you...but, if the shoe fits, feel free to lace that &!+€# up and wear it.

    Comment

    • D Rock
      Hall of Famer
      • Dec 2008
      • 2797

      #3
      IF they resign Mendenhall...Why bother with keeping a bunch of big backs when you already have Redman. Clay and Dwyer can go, and keep both Batch (who can be a true backup RB too) and Rainey

      IF they do not resign Mendenhall...Then you still get rid of Clay or Dwyer. Those two are the exact same player. Who not talk about them fighting each other for a roster spot?

      Comment

      • Oviedo
        Legend
        • May 2008
        • 23824

        #4
        I'd rather have Batch than Clay and maybe even Dwyer. I'm still unconvinced that Rainey can handle the pounding in the NFL where alot more players will be able to catch and nail him than he experienced in college.
        "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

        Comment

        • flippy
          Legend
          • Dec 2008
          • 17088

          #5
          I see Rainey having a huge advantage in this competition because of his speed, change of direction, and ability to play WR. Plus he'll likely get a hat as a returner and hopefully he can block some punts like he did in college.

          But I see these guys as totally different players. Batch is a prototypical 3rd down back. And maybe an every down back in time.

          Rainey is an all around weapon. It'll be interesting to see how he gets used in time. It would be interesting to see if we could use them both at the same time to create some situational mismatches.
          sigpic

          Comment

          • Slapstick
            Rookie
            • May 2008
            • 0

            #6
            Originally posted by D Rock
            IF they resign Mendenhall...Why bother with keeping a bunch of big backs when you already have Redman. Clay and Dwyer can go, and keep both Batch (who can be a true backup RB too) and Rainey

            IF they do not resign Mendenhall...Then you still get rid of Clay or Dwyer. Those two are the exact same player. Who not talk about them fighting each other for a roster spot?
            Clay and Dwyer are also two different players...the difference isn't quite as pronounced as Rainey and Batch, but there are definite differences...

            Back to Batch and Rainey, Haley found different roles for Jamaal Charles and Dexter McCluster in his offense...those two are much more similar than Batch and Rainey, IMO...
            Actually, my post was NOT about you...but, if the shoe fits, feel free to lace that &!+€# up and wear it.

            Comment

            • Oviedo
              Legend
              • May 2008
              • 23824

              #7
              Anyone really think that Rainey could pick up a blitz...and survive? Rainey in the backfield would likely be an automatic blitz audible for opposing defenses.
              "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

              Comment

              • flippy
                Legend
                • Dec 2008
                • 17088

                #8
                Originally posted by Oviedo
                Anyone really think that Rainey could pick up a blitz...and survive? Rainey in the backfield would likely be an automatic blitz audible for opposing defenses.
                Warrick Dunn was Rainey's size and did ok.

                It'll be interesting to see if we try to use him like Dunn? Or try to work him into the slot like Wes Welker early in his career.

                There's not a well defined role for him, but he's blazing fast and can change direction like few other athletes I've ever seen. So I imagine Haley will try him out in a lot of different positions.

                It'll be harder to justify him in a slot role over Sanders/Cotchery. So I think he's gonna have to prove to be a 3rd down back and pick up some blitzes to make his way into the offense.
                sigpic

                Comment

                • JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
                  Hall of Famer
                  • May 2008
                  • 3937

                  #9
                  I believe there is room for both of them. They seem to carry four on the 53. Mendy, Redman, Dwyer, & Moore started last year. Rainey makes the team as the RB/#6 WR/KR. Wallace, Brown, Sanders, Cotchery, & Clemons at WR. Redman, Dwyer, Batch, & Clay with Mendy on PUP. One of the Johnson's at FB. That also would mean that only Miller & Pope would be at TE until Saunders comes off suspension. Just my thoughts.
                  Last edited by JUST-PLAIN-NASTY; 06-01-2012, 08:56 AM.

                  Comment

                  • Ghost
                    Legend
                    • May 2008
                    • 6338

                    #10
                    "this guy clearly in space is a hazard to the defense.” - love this philosophy!! Get guys the ball and let them due some damage.
                    sigpic

                    Comment

                    • Slapstick
                      Rookie
                      • May 2008
                      • 0

                      #11
                      Originally posted by flippy
                      Warrick Dunn was Rainey's size and did ok.

                      It'll be interesting to see if we try to use him like Dunn? Or try to work him into the slot like Wes Welker early in his career.

                      There's not a well defined role for him, but he's blazing fast and can change direction like few other athletes I've ever seen. So I imagine Haley will try him out in a lot of different positions.

                      It'll be harder to justify him in a slot role over Sanders/Cotchery. So I think he's gonna have to prove to be a 3rd down back and pick up some blitzes to make his way into the offense.
                      I disagree completely...

                      Warrick Dunn was actually bigger than Rainey, though not like Barron Batch...

                      If you are asking Rainey to pick up blitzes, you are using him completely wrong...

                      Rainey should be getting the ball in space, not taking on a blitzing LB...even if you are only using him as a decoy, it is better than him picking up blitzes...
                      Actually, my post was NOT about you...but, if the shoe fits, feel free to lace that &!+€# up and wear it.

                      Comment

                      • feltdizz
                        Legend
                        • May 2008
                        • 27531

                        #12
                        I love it... competition is a good thing. Not sure about Rainey picking up blitzes but I'm sure we will figure it out.
                        Steelers 27
                        Rats 16

                        Comment

                        • MeetJoeGreene
                          Hall of Famer
                          • May 2008
                          • 3221

                          #13
                          Originally posted by D Rock
                          IF they resign Mendenhall...Why bother with keeping a bunch of big backs when you already have Redman. Clay and Dwyer can go, and keep both Batch (who can be a true backup RB too) and Rainey

                          IF they do not resign Mendenhall...Then you still get rid of Clay or Dwyer. Those two are the exact same player. Who not talk about them fighting each other for a roster spot?


                          YUP. In my mind, the battle for the last RB spot should be between Dwyer and Clay. (assuming batch is back and healthy)
                          Cleveland spelled backwards is DNA Level C
                          http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/d...itty29/mjg.jpg
                          another AA/AS original.

                          Comment

                          • JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
                            Hall of Famer
                            • May 2008
                            • 3937

                            #14
                            Rainey will be the guy who lines up in the backfield on 3rd down and dares the DC to blitz & pick it up. Haley is very good at designing the counter as long as BB takes his check down. This is where we may see BB vs Haley. 3rd & long...When they are coming. The read would be to quickly hit Rainey because he is the mismatch and it gets the ball out quickly. Hitting Rainey on a simple swing matched up on nickel/dime backer could be a pass behind the LOS tuned into a 1st down or big play. Even 3rd & long with 7-8 back in zone. Let you WRs clear out the zone and get the S out of their back pedal. Dump to Rainey and let him make a play. Percentage football while keeping your QB upright. There will be oportunities to take their shots downfield off of PA and when down & distance allows them to. But like I said, it is all on BB.

                            BB is the type to stand tall and shrug off the free blitzer & extend the play and go vertical. He needs to start being a smarter QB in the regular season and know when the time calls for BB to be what makes BB great. Nobody is saying change who he is...Just know when to put the cape on. Weeks 1-17...Keep it tucked away on the sideline. Let the "lunch pail" guys carry the load and wear defenses down. Jump in the phone booth in the 4th if you need to secure a win. Get to the dance and then dress your best. BB needs to start knowing when to pick his battles. He needs to limited them as much as possible in weeks 1-17. This team goes where he goes and it is more important for him to ensure he is on the field for the long run.

                            Comment

                            • phillyesq
                              Legend
                              • May 2008
                              • 7568

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Slapstick
                              If Batch an Rainey are battling for one roster spot, that's crazy....

                              Batch is 30 Lbs heavier...he is a legit RB...

                              Rainey is indeed a weapon, but while some of their skills may be similar, they should have different roles...

                              This is like the comparison going on between Troy and Spence...they are two different players...
                              I would hope that they are competing for this role, but not necessarily for a roster spot.

                              I would think that you open the season with Redman, Dwyer, Batch and Rainey as your backs, or even Redman, Dwyer, Batch and Clay, with Rainey as a RB/WR/KR. This all assumes that Batch returns healthy.

                              Comment

                              Working...