Steelers players reaction to Todd Haley’s playbook shows how weak Arians playbook was

[SteelCrazy]

They'll have a full offseason to absorb the playbook. They're paid millions of dollars to UNDERSTAND the playbook and it's ridiculous to assume there is going to be "a lot of confusion".

In theory you're correct, but these guys that are paid millions of dollars to understand the playbook are still human. I dont think players will be running around like boobs, but there will be a player or two out of position and I think it'll take them a while to get into a flow.

[Snatch98]

In theory you're correct, but these guys that are paid millions of dollars to understand the playbook are still human. I dont think players will be running around like boobs, but there will be a player or two out of position and I think it'll take them a while to get into a flow.

I still think you're wrong. If you and I were paid Millions of dollars to play football for one of the best organization in professional sports we are going to learn that playbook. We're also talking about some of the best prospects IN the NFL on our roster. I'm not at all worried about the Haley offense and if Tomlin, Rooney and the other elements thought it was going to be a problem they would have slow played the process. I have high hopes until proven otherwise that our offense with this most recent draft and the maturation of others is going to hit another gear. It should be the offense we've hoped for so get on my bandwagon and enjoy the excitement. If I'm wrong and the others that are equally excited are wrong we'll come back to the board to bitch and moan about it lol. Until then I'm going to be flying high until September, hopefully we're all flying extra high by then.

[hawaiiansteel]

So far, Haley hasnt accomplished anything in Pitt and he is simply unknown until game 1 is over. After hearing all the talk from players about how hard it is I expect a lot of confusion and little success in game 1.

Mehno: Is Tomlin making a mistake?

Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2012
by John Mehno

Is Mike Tomlin repeating one of the legendary mistakes in Steelers history?

Tomlin hired Todd Haley as offensive coordinator in February, a big change after five years of Bruce Arians. Haley is the first coordinator in 13 years hired from outside the organization.

Tomlin is also requiring the team to learn Haley's terminology.

This is no small matter. Imagine trying to give someone directions if left was now right and vice versa. How easily could you do simple math problems if the value of six was now seven? Could you make change quickly if dimes were now called quarters?

That's what happens when new systems are installed. The simple solution is to have the new coach adapt to what the players have been using.

Chuck Noll hired Joe Walton as his offensive coordinator in 1990 and decided the Steelers would learn Walton's language.

The players, led by Bubby Brister, rebelled, and things were never quite right. Noll retired after the 1991 season.

There's always a sentiment for showing highly paid players who's the boss, but why have 25 people adapt when it would be easier to have one coach make the switch?
Change is always difficult, made even tougher when people aren't speaking the same language.

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[BURGH86STEEL]

I still think you're wrong. If you and I were paid Millions of dollars to play football for one of the best organization in professional sports we are going to learn that playbook. We're also talking about some of the best prospects IN the NFL on our roster. I'm not at all worried about the Haley offense and if Tomlin, Rooney and the other elements thought it was going to be a problem they would have slow played the process. I have high hopes until proven otherwise that our offense with this most recent draft and the maturation of others is going to hit another gear. It should be the offense we've hoped for so get on my bandwagon and enjoy the excitement. If I'm wrong and the others that are equally excited are wrong we'll come back to the board to bitch and moan about it lol. Until then I'm going to be flying high until September, hopefully we're all flying extra high by then.

Here is an example of one play call I found "Flip right, double-X, Jet, 36 counter, naked waggle, X-7, X-quarter." If Haley's terminology is anything similar, it may take a couple of years for players to become comfortable in the offense.

[Discipline of Steel]

"Flip right, double-X, Jet, 36 counter, naked waggle, X-7, X-quarter."

PASS PLAY
Flip right, double-X, Jet...FORMATION
36 counter...BLOCKING SCHEME
naked waggle...QB MOTION
X-7, X-quarter...PASS ROUTES

Hey, i think im getting it already! shouldnt be too tough for the professionals

[D Rock]

PASS PLAY
Flip right, double-X, Jet...FORMATION
36 counter...BLOCKING SCHEME
naked waggle...QB MOTION
X-7, X-quarter...PASS ROUTES

Hey, i think im getting it already! shouldnt be too tough for the professionals

I would think it would be the hardest for Ben because he has to know what everyone is doing on every play. Good thing he's a college graduate now.

[papillon]

PASS PLAY
Flip right, double-X, Jet...FORMATION
36 counter...BLOCKING SCHEME
naked waggle...QB MOTION
X-7, X-quarter...PASS ROUTES

Hey, i think im getting it already! shouldnt be too tough for the professionals

And, you didn't have to "unlearn" anything, you simply took your football knowledge and applied to the play call, the Steeler players are going to have to "translate" what they know (BA's system) into what they don't know (TH's system). The same as learning a language, if you don't know German you have to translate it into English and until you do that enough, so that it is second nature it takes time to process German. It will take the players time to process Todd Haley speak into something they know. Can they do it? Of course. Will it be second nature by September? Only time will tell.

Pappy

[Northern_Blitz]

I generally don't like early bye weeks, but I think it will be good for the players and coaches to be able to put the O in the garage for a week to go over everything after having three real games.

[RuthlessBurgher]

Arians was/is predictable. It wont change in Indy. So far, Haley hasnt accomplished anything in Pitt and he is simply unknown until game 1 is over. After hearing all the talk from players about how hard it is I expect a lot of confusion and little success in game 1. GO DEFENSE!

Luckily, in week 1, we get to play against an offense lead by a QB who hasn't played in over a year due to multiple neck surgeries and is now in an all new system with all new players (other than Jacob Tamme, and Brandon Stokley, if he even makes the team).

Then, in week 2, we get a team who replaced an incompetant O.C. with a former H.C. just like us (in their case, Brian Schottenheimer for Tony Sparano).

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

Blah, blah, blah.

If we do better on offense then the playbook is better, if we don't then it is worse. Everything in between is just idle chit chat to kill time until we have something real to talk about.

[feltdizz]

Blah, blah, blah.

If we do better on offense then the playbook is better, if we don't then it is worse. Everything in between is just idle chit chat to kill time until we have something real to talk about.

we know this...

[Sugar]

I'm not seeing how two players reactions to Haley's playbook says a single thing about Arians'. It's simply doesn't follow logically.

[Oviedo]

Blah, blah, blah.

If we do better on offense then the playbook is better, if we don't then it is worse. Everything in between is just idle chit chat to kill time until we have something real to talk about.

Duh....

Got some stimulating discussion to contribute?

[D Rock]

And, you didn't have to "unlearn" anything, you simply took your football knowledge and applied to the play call, the Steeler players are going to have to "translate" what they know (BA's system) into what they don't know (TH's system). The same as learning a language, if you don't know German you have to translate it into English and until you do that enough, so that it is second nature it takes time to process German. It will take the players time to process Todd Haley speak into something they know. Can they do it? Of course. Will it be second nature by September? Only time will tell.

Pappy

I disagree to an extent...

A language needs translating because words have meanings which need other words to understand.

Football plays can be drawn on paper and routes and blocking schemes can physically be executed. Just forget the old system and learn the plays fresh - don't try to make everything into a translation from the old system, because you don't need to use the old system to understand the new system. I think this is much easier than learning a new language.

[papillon]

Luckily, in week 1, we get to play against an offense lead by a QB who hasn't played in over a year due to multiple neck surgeries and is now in an all new system with all new players (other than Jacob Tamme, and Brandon Stokley, if he even makes the team).

Then, in week 2, we get a team who replaced an incompetant O.C. with a former H.C. just like us (in their case, Brian Schottenheimer for Tony Sparano).

My guess is that Peyton Manning isn't learning much new, he will be instrumental in the installation of the offense and terminology that he is familiar with. The Broncos only have a small opening with Manning and won't want to have him learn a new system, they'll have the others learn what he knows. At least, if I were the Broncos, I would want Manning up to speed as quickly as possible.

Pappy